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Old 8th April 2010, 10:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Agreed.

i think many channel 8 producers and directors can go 阿鼻大地獄 alr...

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Seldom watch channel 8... but they got immoral stuff?

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All the sex scenes, kissing scenes are appearing on Mediacorp Dramas nowadays.......

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if someone whos intention is not to lead the world bad, who is unmindful of his actions and dont know the dharma.....does it consider lesser karma than those who does?

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This topic is another one I have been doing research on.

Almost all countries have some form of porn. And some have adult video industries that have been established for many decades - USA and Japan would be the two that comes to my mind first.

I think it would be more convincing if we can provide long-term empirical data on the global sex industry and how the various job roles held by each man or woman working in such industries affect their physical, mental and emotional health. And on the other hand how viewing porn in its various forms can harm people of all ages, not just kids or teens.

One thing I can't help but wonder is if porn is so bad for all those involved in the sex industry and those who watch and/or listen to the final products - including 3 evil realms karmic consequences for them after they pass away - then why is it so hard to find detailed and objective reports on such social concerns, and analysed from both secular and Buddhist point of view?

I wish to debunk the glamour and highs of the sex industry and of being an adult video actor/actress. I wish to tell the truths as they are, as they happen.

I wish to present to all such truths from both secular and Buddhist point of view. But alas I alone cannot find sufficient information to present cold, hard truths about karma in operation to the world.

Why are AV actors and actresses so handsome and sexy? If you go by the law of karma they must have done something good in their previous lives to deserve such good looks, but yet they have little or no moral strength and wisdom in them to understand their work's short and long-term impact on the entire human population.

Talking about women especially, many working female adults see no issue at all with wearing revealing attire either during work (especially when the job is of such nature that focuses on physical attractiveness) or off work ...seriously it is all too common now, everywhere. You have tank-tops, plunging necklines, bareback gowns, etc. For those who like to swim, even without wearing a bikini, some swimsuits are still revealing enough to attract unwanted attention.

If you talk about the media, I hope you can recall that mrt and bus stop billboards have brassiere advertisements at different points in time.

Now is that revealing or not? I know some would say this is nothing at all, cos this is the secular view. But from a Buddhist point of view, even very trivial things done unskilfully can bring quite uncomfortable karmic results.

You watch an ordinary love story on TV or in the movies, it shows a man and a woman kissing passionately or maybe just making jokes with sexual innuendo, but no sex, is that ok to you? It is ok to almost all in fact.

But is it really so? I won't be able to say for sure, really, if I were to view it entirely from traditional Chinese teachings and of the Buddha's.

So another research to be done other than on the porn industry, is another one on revealing attire, man and women alike.

How do we prove the correlation between wearing revealing outfits to getting various kinds of illnesses after 35 or 40 years old as mentioned by Master Chin Kung?

We can observe many females from Western countries to be wearing revealing clothing in the shows they export to other countries or from factual news reports.

So females who are born in Western countries or adopt a Western revealing attire culture should definitely be included in the long-term study.

I hope Buddhists and non-Buddhists would come together to do a long-term health research on man and females wearing revealing outfits. And similarly collaborate on the porn industry report too.

Whether this will happen within my lifetime is really anyone's guess. But I would like to be part of the movement, some day; either in front or at the back.

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Re: 藝人拍色情電影和穿著曝露的果報

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if someone whos intention is not to lead the world bad, who is unmindful of his actions and dont know the dharma.....does it consider lesser karma than those who does?
When a bad seed is sowed in the wild, do you think it would be fruitful? May be let the nature do the job﹐ but if it was given with such bad surrounding and environment(without sufficient water, sunshine etc) it might get harvested but for sure you will get bad dates in return.
And if you would to take care, given enough fertilize, water and good sunshine to it, even bad seed will turn fruitful. But still, a date seed will give u a date fruit and it would not turn into a mango. 万般帶不走,为有业相隨。

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1 qns,

if someone whos intention is not to lead the world bad, who is unmindful of his actions and dont know the dharma.....does it consider lesser karma than those who does?
Ignorance still results in similar or worse bad karma.

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I want to add to the topic that if those people think that Ven Chin Kung is exaggerating, please also consider that the Buddha have also actually addressed the karmas of actors personally.


SN 42.2
PTS: S iv 306
CDB ii 1333
Talaputa Sutta: To Talaputa the Actor

translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 1998–2010

On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrel's Sanctuary.

Then Talaputa, the head of an acting troupe, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "Lord, I have heard that it has been passed down by the ancient teaching lineage of actors that 'When an actor on the stage, in the midst of a festival, makes people laugh & gives them delight with his imitation of reality, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the company of the laughing devas.' What does the Blessed One have to say about that?"

"Enough, headman, put that aside. Don't ask me that."

A second time... A third time Talaputa, the head of an acting troupe, said: "Lord, I have heard that it has been passed down by the ancient teaching lineage of actors that 'When an actor on the stage, in the midst of a festival, makes people laugh & gives them delight with his imitation of reality, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the company of the laughing devas.' What does the Blessed One have to say about that?"

"Apparently, headman, I haven't been able to get past you by saying, 'Enough, headman, put that aside. Don't ask me that.' So I will simply answer you. Any beings who are not devoid of passion to begin with, who are bound by the bond of passion, focus with even more passion on things inspiring passion presented by an actor on stage in the midst of a festival. Any beings who are not devoid of aversion to begin with, who are bound by the bond of aversion, focus with even more aversion on things inspiring aversion presented by an actor on stage in the midst of a festival. Any beings who are not devoid of delusion to begin with, who are bound by the bond of delusion, focus with even more delusion on things inspiring delusion presented by an actor on stage in the midst of a festival. Thus the actor — himself intoxicated & heedless, having made others intoxicated & heedless — with the breakup of the body, after death, is reborn in what is called the hell of laughter. But if he holds such a view as this: 'When an actor on the stage, in the midst of a festival, makes people laugh & gives them delight with his imitation of reality, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the company of the laughing devas,' that is his wrong view. Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb."

When this was said, Talaputa, the head of an acting troupe, sobbed & burst into tears. [The Blessed One said:] "That is what I couldn't get past you by saying, 'Enough, headman, put that aside. Don't ask me that.'"

"I'm not crying, lord, because of what the Blessed One said to me, but simply because I have been deceived, cheated, & fooled for a long time by that ancient teaching lineage of actors who said: 'When an actor on the stage, in the midst of a festival, makes people laugh & gives them delight with his imitation of reality, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the company of the laughing devas.'

"Magnificent, lord! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has the Blessed One — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to the Blessed One for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the Community of monks. May the Blessed One remember me as a lay follower who has gone to him for refuge, from this day forward, for life."

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Interesting replies.

@Miaohui, for karma to arise. there must be a intend, follow by action and the reaction, to be considered a deed. If these porn actors n producers only thought of making money. In their mind, is made up of greed, not an intent to harm the world.

@beawake, I have studied that sutta and my teacher side commented that novel writers brought many readers minds into their world of stories. These made the readers strayed from their mindfulness. Same goes to tv, movies, opera, etc.... but what can we do?

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Originally Posted by unclejoe View Post
Interesting replies.

@Miaohui, for karma to arise. there must be a intend, follow by action and the reaction, to be considered a deed. If these porn actors n producers only thought of making money. In their mind, is made up of greed, not an intent to harm the world.
It doesn't matter what reason a person kills for, if a person kills, he ends up in hell. Ditto to porn, etc. The actor in the sutta also did not have the intention to harm people but the Buddha was clear about his karma.
@beawake, I have studied that sutta and my teacher side commented that novel writers brought many readers minds into their world of stories. These made the readers strayed from their mindfulness. Same goes to tv, movies, opera, etc.... but what can we do?
The Buddha talks of actors who make people 'focus on passion, aversion and delusion'. What are these? The 3 poisons, aka greed, hatred, ignorance. In other words the actors are poisoning people's mind even though they may think they are entertaining people. If their shows, or in the case of a writer: books, focus on these, leading to more delusion and loss of mindfulness, then they are creating very bad karma. However if they make shows that increase people's compassion, wholesome qualities, skillful conduct, wisdom and awareness, then I think it is very good. When we think of tv, movies, opera, we have to consider that there are actually mass audiences so the karma is big.

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Sadhu sadhu sadhu, in loving respect to the venerable above, he has done plenty of good work in the propagation of Buddhist teachings particularly in the Amitabha Pureland lineage. When a practitioner has got sufficient exposure with the most important sutras of Pureland teachings, the rationales why eons ago Amitabha Buddha made huge vows to set up Amitabha Pureland and why other Buddhas strongly recommended the Amitabha Pureland alot of it has gotta do with the woe of living in the Saha samsaric plane where there are the various turpidities. The turpidities include
  1. kalpas
  2. views
  3. afflictions
  4. sentient beings
  5. lifespans
The above afflictions are what makes practice on the Saha samsaric plane utterly challenging, therefore at a certain juncture when one gets weary about human existence, chanting Namo Amitabha piously is one way towards going to Amitabha Pureland, whether meditatively, or especially upon breakup of this body after this existence.

When you go to Amitabha Pureland, the Pureland as a refuge ain't eternal. You go there for a while, and over there where lots of good followers and bodhisattvas are, what happens is that you're said to be manifested within a little lotus, and when it finally blooms after many an extended wait, one gets to meet Amitabha Buddha, learn the same teachings as what one learns in Saha plane under Gautama Buddha, and then after that during "lunchtime" you get to teleport around the various cosmos worshipping other buddhas and bodhisattvas, and eventually you may be required as part of the practice to return onto this Earthly Saha plane once again to save fellow sentient beings.

Conceptually it's very similar to the fable that is being taught within the Lotus Sutra, where the Buddha speaks of the Tathagatha being a wise and strong father who gets out of a burning house, then instead of rushing back into the house where his kids are there, he lures them out via means of lovely toys, more lovelier than those that they're attached to within the burning house. Then when the kids are out of the burning house, whether the good father chooses to go back in and check for survivors, that depends on how the story is supposed to unfold. When you look at the Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra then, you get a bigger boo-boo on the mind when the advanced bodhisattva Vimalakirti tells you how practice ought to be like. Vimalakirti tells you that whatever is in the burning house is supposedly your best friend, in other words, keep your enemies closest to you. It's one of the most incredible of mindsets, that's why He's the ideal of a lay practitioner and bodhisattva. Within the Sutra, Vimalakirti tells Manjusri that the very essence of whores, courtesans, and prostitutes, their purpose to hook guys via the bait of sensuality, and after the guys are hooked, then on this worldly existence the world teaches or guides you with the dharma. What is important here is that Vimalakirti tells the lay practitioner that monasticism isn't gonna work. Within the short sutra, He screws the living hell out of all the other senior monks and even other bodhisattvas, suggesting that they are stupid in their practices in a way. He himself goes into whorehouses, he gets married, have children, maintains continences, have servants, have employees, and all kinds of stuffs that any earthling has got too. The only point, Vimalakirti is neither attached to the material or the immaterial, His wealth, inexhaustible, is for doing the work of the Tathagatha.

I'm not saying that Venerable Jing Kong's teachings are flawed. I'm not suggesting that Pureland isn't a good place to aspire towards. You take a look at Jing Kong's study room in the Youtube clip for instance, let's say he doesn't have a maid to look after the cleanliness of the furniture, he needs a young boy to be an attendant (that's what all senior monks up to Buddhas have got, attendants like Gautama's Ananda) looking after the diorama. 2500 years ago during the Buddha's time, the Gautama Buddha out of compassion prescribed simple living He barely has his own study room after giving up everything as a prince, so all Ananda had to do was to record His sermons mentally and then regurgitate it out when Buddha has parinirvanaed.

When technology does everything Ananda used to do that said when technology suggests that the earth is round, the only rationale why monks are still allowed to preach is because let them talk lah, they want to talk I also want to talk, everybody wants to talk, when he's lucky he'll go to Pureland then come back and say no big deal let's do it all over again, it's called "To request the Buddhas to remain in the world"..

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One rotten apple spoils others, and very much inclined I am indeed to believe that the recent Chinese drama 'The Dream Makers' Jeanette Aw Ou Xuan in scene of sex and misconduct(2013), 'The Little Nyonya' Joanne Peh in scene of sex and misconduct(2008) is presented just a little more than the usual on social behaviour.

For Buddhists and spiritually inclined others how do you seek indifference to the sufferings of some others led to uneventful lives as AV and beauty queens from poverty and lack of spiritual means?

For some with spiritual influence yet lacking the spiritual knowledge and insights, do you think societal poverty plagues their capability for work advancement?

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