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Hi Folks,

I am just back form doing personal business and thought I am going to write a thread about using black magic and the gray zones, how people fall in that trap and the consequences.

Most folks have got the wrong picture about black magic and they are not aware that even once you curse somebody with dirty speech you enter the field of black magic.

Let’s just choose a subject very popular with young people - which of course doesn't mean old people don't have those problems - lets choose relationships and broken hearts.

For example there is somebody who had a relationship but it broke due to which reason ever.

Lets say this person still is clinching on the former partner and just refuses to let go.(besides this behavior is contrary to Lord Buddhas teachings and has a lot to do with the I )

"Solutions" and attempts to solve the pain with possible consequences:

Case 1
The couple has been married and there are children. The one who is interested in keeping the relation goes to a monk and asks for help in what form ever (direct intervention, amulet, a.s.o)

This is a form of white magic (but don’t oversee still magic) as it is in most cases very much in range of the will of the higher worlds and brings healing instead of destruction in so far the relation has been disturbed due to other rather “black” influences. (selfcenterism, uncontolled lust of the partner a.s.o).

So I would say if no other solution this is a possible way to go but should carefully considered and only be a LAST attempt and should only taken if there is really no other opportunity left.
(Of course it depends on the case itself and if there is something like abuse or drugs or other problems)

To perform help in this case is an easy task and brings even merrits if it is done right.

Case 2
Somebody got hurt in heart or in pride and Ego - there is no marriage, no children.

2.a
The person is hurt and thinks he/she isn’t unable to live without the lost partner (rather a psychologic problem than a spiritual one).

2.b
The person is looking for revenge and because of this is so blind that he or she really does confuse love with pure hatred. (sometimes not easy to look in a clear mirror).
That person goes to a monk in order to get the person back and uses magic.


You have to know that not every Ajahn or Monk will help you. And for the case you wonder: “An Ajahn, a monk - if it is so bad why they do it then ?”

First – you really have to search for them as there are not many who really can AND do it and, well, it’s kinda a business of the higher world. The person pities you and so they help you - even if they see you are wrong - to calm your suffering which let them gain merrit.

Mostly those people have enough (Damma) and if they are able to outbalance this practise with the deityies they are using – they go on.
(There is much more behind than you think – as the guys my description doesn’t fit do just dirty black magic with much more serious consequences).

For 2a
Ok lets say you got your help, than you are (in this case) at fault and as you used higher powers to change the normal way of things - you have to pay a price for it (the Ajahn or monk too - but they have other ways and more power to outbalance it for the sake of building a new school or a new Phrang.

(--- do you fast ?!? do you keep castity? --- do you chant and meditate everyday for hours ?!?! do you care for the sick and bury the death ?! – that’s what I mean.)

So now, let’s say it works, and in the most cases done by a real Ajahn or monk who knows what he does - it will.

For this case you have to know that Kamma will try to regain the balance and something will happen which might make you not so happy. Maybe the women/man just have a lack (behaivoral or physical) you didn't see before - in an easier case and which gives you a hard time, but maybe it comes harder and they get sick (wheelchair ?!?!) - maybe Kamma will be just doing fun with you and sending you the “love of your life” in form of another person!

So now you are really at risk as the higher laws really check on you how serious you have been with your love!

If you not keep and care your (due to black magic) gained relation (as your “partner” is kinda forced to it) and you do anything knowing or subconsciously which leads to an end of the from You "forced" relationship the price will be very, very high. (faj is babbeling? Just wait and see). You might get a much higher nightmare in the new relationship (first great love and desire – later loss due to death?!), or your children have to pay for you over their own Kamma which of course hurts you – the Damma - Kamma balance and justice can be very, very hard but is never unfair.

For case 2b,
Well, there are persons who just want their ex-partners or others “responsible for their pains” to be punished and so use black magic to just hurt them.

The price for those will be very high and goes to insanity – and it is TOTALLY contrare to the teaching Buddhism and Christendom – and if you find yourself on this road you have to know you are far far far from wisdom.

(What do you think the GIANT teach about love and forgiveness the way of Damma ?!)

Basically you have to know that whoever has a balanced spritiual life and prays, meditates and chants regularily (in other words has a lot of Damma), are protected of a strong influence of black magic.

(As modern humanity mostly whoreships consume and money – it’s easy to cast a black spell on them – they are just empty vessels who are taking what ever trash is coming along).

So for you to know after a black spell works, the “loved person” won’t be normal either. Mostly there are abnormalities in the awareness of the partners then. Partners can even get insane or get addicted - - well I mentioned this on the top.

The persons who use black magic in this case are attached in the same way by it as the person who was the aim of the practise.

With spiritual eyes you can clearly see a "black" cloud who blures the vision to such kind of people and those clouds normally does not seize a person easily- as long he or she does not commit him/herself to it (which you do once you go to a practitioner).

When he/she associates with black magic, both people who cast black magic spell and who is cast with the spell will be covered by it onto their bodies and faces automatically.

“Compared to playing mud, the one who smears mud on another person must also be stained.

Worse than that is casting black magic to another person is like you poison him which means we do not really love them (for our case example) cuz people who love each other won’t poison or give black magic to beloved ones.

So esp due to selfishness, craziness and infatuation, some people take black magic as their refuge, and it is difficult to withdraw themselves after they have associated with it.

This will give calamities to their work, finance and people around them. Even though they get somebody they love, but they actually got only their bodies, not their love (hearts).

Besides, people around them will not want to get close to them (even if they have no 3th eye, normal human instict is enough to feel it) even though they do not tell others about what they have done.

Only really crazy people would do so and even boost with it as they are blind and which is another hint in which mudhole you will slide - once you took that “rope” as a solution in your hands.

Many people who associate with black magic become penniless and insolvent because of the black magic mysterious power (I would call it because of the perfect justice of Damma and Kamma).

People who cast black magic spell and who is cast the spell on will lose their mind, their work will not go well, they will encounter miseries, and nobody will give them a hand, which will put them deeper and deeper in the fangs of their own practise over which they more and more loose mind. The pitiest thing is that they are not aware of it.

I know that then it will be very hard to find a good monk to help you out of your misery, as they don’t want to play with you in the mud and as they see that you are responsible for what you suffer.
They only help the victims of such practise, which has to be done by a real monk or priest and ranges from easy to difficult.

Long speech but maybe just a beginning of a discussion (although my time is short) and maybe a hint for some people to seek help and to stop.
But then – to deep in the “mud”, caught up by lies and guided from that little overshadowed EGO, you might not really understand the message.

Faj


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What goes around comes around

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Love that comment (he he he)

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bro....

thats usually the case of someone who dun understand how magic (wijah) works,
if used properly and i stress on the word "PROPERLY",
magic can actually help a lot of pple solve problems.....

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?!?!?!?

Speaking about black magic - in 99% it goes properly wrong !


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?!?!?!?

In 99% it goes properly wrong !
hahahaha...

true true true....

no doubts about it

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does normal scolding n cursing considered black magic too ? o.0

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heard that most of the time you will hurt back yourself or harm your family...haha not sure too...not very sure any singaporean really can do black magic? cos i think must see the moon phases or smth like that.

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heard that most of the time you will hurt back yourself or harm your family...haha not sure too...not very sure any singaporean really can do black magic? cos i think must see the moon phases or smth like that.
yes there is,its a matter of if u know who to go to only.

casting spells can be as easy with just very simple items,

it can be complicated to the extend that u need hard to find materials and need to seek permission from devas/deities cos it may mean taking away something from you to give it to another person ,when when such changing the course of nature occurs,its usually very complicated and tedious process,
and most of the time when such things happen,it usually come with a warning of if the giver will be willing to bear the consequences of the spell


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yes there is,its a matter of if u know who to go to only.

casting spells can be as easy with just very simple items,

it can be complicated to the extend that u need hard to find materials and need to seek permission from devas/deities cos it may mean taking away something from you to give it to another person ,when when such changing the course of nature occurs,its usually very complicated and tedious process,
and most of the time when such things happen,it usually come with a warning of if the giver will be willing to bear the consequences of the spell
then you know how to do spells?

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then you know how to do spells?
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Black magic has a high probability of back-lashing.... its always warned to the caster before of the consequences, so take heart.

There's white magik of course... beneficial spells.... those you can cast as many times as you wan

i dunno how to cast though.. the materials needed and the locations required not easy to find in SG...

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Black magic has a high probability of back-lashing.... its always warned to the caster before of the consequences, so take heart.

There's white magik of course... beneficial spells.... those you can cast as many times as you wan

i dunno how to cast though.. the materials needed and the locations required not easy to find in SG...
I prefer people to follow you in your opinion then putting you right

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I have a question to ask. What is the karma on the person casting black magic on others? It seems strange to me that if a person is suppose to be fated to be rich, and if the person cast black magic to him to make him poor, isnt that violating nature because it was not supposed to be. Wouldnt the person who cast black magic be very sinful to affect one's lives and alter the karma the other person should have?

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(pardon me if i sound ignorant) hmm, i thought if do evil stuff etc black magic, will come back 3 fold to urself?

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I have a question to ask. What is the karma on the person casting black magic on others? It seems strange to me that if a person is suppose to be fated to be rich, and if the person cast black magic to him to make him poor, isnt that violating nature because it was not supposed to be. Wouldnt the person who cast black magic be very sinful to affect one's lives and alter the karma the other person should have?
thats why when issues are forced the person doing the spell will be having serious conseuqences
as in the person who request for it wil have serious consequences not the person performing the ceremony


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Yes i agree that there is surely serious consequences. But as far as i know black magic is often with the help of a spiritual being or spirit. It invokes the spirit to help the person do such and such, and there is price to pay. One famous account of such incident is Milerepa of tibet, famous yogi in vajarayana buddhism. He went to learn black magic to harm his relatives with the request of his mother. His relatives had bullied his entire family. He invoked a spiritual being in the process and it sent down storms that killed all his relatives. Later on he repented and turned to the buddhist path. He cultivated for many years under a lama and eventually gain enlightenment(if im not wrong), or the rainbow body. This is a case of a spell caster able to repent and realize the truth. But then again, i think not many people will realize that casting black spell is an evil thing.

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Yes i agree that there is surely serious consequences. But as far as i know black magic is often with the help of a spiritual being or spirit. It invokes the spirit to help the person do such and such, and there is price to pay. One famous account of such incident is Milerepa of tibet, famous yogi in vajarayana buddhism. He went to learn black magic to harm his relatives with the request of his mother. His relatives had bullied his entire family. He invoked a spiritual being in the process and it sent down storms that killed all his relatives. Later on he repented and turned to the buddhist path. He cultivated for many years under a lama and eventually gain enlightenment(if im not wrong), or the rainbow body. This is a case of a spell caster able to repent and realize the truth. But then again, i think not many people will realize that casting black spell is an evil thing.
they do ti cos they wan results their own way fast

wich was wat i did before...

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Heard last time the slaves in Africa casted black magic to their masters who tortured them hard i.e. in a sense, cast black magic to bad people who're deserved, would it be wrong & inpact back to the caster also?

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First - helllight I like your comments and back you - and yes even against evil people it has the same impact and the bill has to be payed.

No serious monk will - even if they do an exorcist for you - will (although they can easily) let "flash it back "to the source.

Hatred, revenge is an affection they won't allow themself and neither should you.

My only wish would be that the people here realize how much effort and training over years (!!) monks put in in order to gain superhuman/-natural powers in order to HELP others once they are being ask for help (!!!) (a point many seem to overlook in order to gain reputation for the own pride)

Using real hard black magic is not playing with or running into without mind - and you know why I give this warning?

Many people talking, boosting about black magic, Guman Tong and other stufff do not really believe it works and has his effects. If they would believe and understand they wouldn't be talking so ....... well strange and childish about it.

I am talking about the use of a Ajahn, monk or other wannabe master here.

If you want easy black magic, take a picture of somebody and shit on it --- there you go.
(Hope people won't actually do it --- but only to prevent the babbeling about it is so hard to do)

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PS Just using hard words as it seems some don't understand properly (he he he)


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