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Old 9th October 2009, 06:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is Jesus God?

Did Jesus claim to be God? did he say "i am God" or "worship me?" It seems that there is not a single unequivocal statement in any of the 66 books of the bible or the 73 of the roman catholic, where he says "i am God or Worship Me".

The nearest he came to that was a quotation from the book of revelation where it is suppose to be the words of Jesus saying " I am alpha and omega" meaning, i am the first and the last. Now this book of revelation was a dream, in which John in his dream he saw a vision. But while Jesus walked this earth, he never claim any divinity

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Can discuss this in here? For me i have a different view to jesus and god but it will offend people so i better keep my mouth shut.

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Re: Is Jesus God?

what catholics and christians believe is, jesus is god.. they coexists as 1 along with the holy spirits to form the holy trinity.

its true that jesus is the son of god.. but god is usually referred to as the holy trinity, all 3 as 1.

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In the past, peoples are damn free, they got no movie to go to, no games to play, no forums to post, no facebook, no youtube etc etc,...so what they do, eat, sleep, dream and write, they like to create visions to seek attention, and as most are lazing around, it is very easy for them to gather around to listen and follow, so to understand about religion we need to go back to that time.

Today we so busy with our work, career, money, life, games, net, relationship, movies, outings..etc etc..where go time to think about visions. That why you see religions were mostly created in long ago historical background. Man are born just 2000 or 2500 ago where many religions was created, we are around about 5000 years ago.

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what catholics and christians believe is, jesus is god.. they coexists as 1 along with the holy spirits to form the holy trinity.

its true that jesus is the son of god.. but god is usually referred to as the holy trinity, all 3 as 1.
the idea of the holy trinity is that in the Christian catechism, they say that

-the father is God, the son is God and the holy Ghost is God but there are not 3 Gods but one God
-the father is almighty, the son is almighty and the holy Ghost is almighty but there are not 3 alimighty but one almighty
-the father is a person, the son is a person and the holy Ghost is a person but there are not 3 person but 1 person

I am asking, what language is this? It sounds english? not 3 person but one?
i give you an example, lets say you and your 2 other brothers are identical triplets. We cant make the difference between the 3 of you. If one of you commit murder, can we hang the other?

If you say no, then why not? because they are a different person. so what makes them different? its their personality. When you say in the name of the father, you will have a certain mental picture, and the son another mental picture and the holy ghost another mental picture. in other words, you have 3 distinct mental pictures. And no matter how hard you try, you will never superimpose these 3 picture and create one. there will every be 3 in your mind. But when i ask the Christians, "how many pictures you see?" they say "One".. Guys, you are lying..

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Originally Posted by sannoh View Post
the idea of the holy trinity is that in the Christian catechism, they say that

-the father is God, the son is God and the holy Ghost is God but there are not 3 Gods but one God
-the father is almighty, the son is almighty and the holy Ghost is almighty but there are not 3 alimighty but one almighty
-the father is a person, the son is a person and the holy Ghost is a person but there are not 3 person but 1 person

I am asking, what language is this? It sounds english? not 3 person but one?
i give you an example, lets say you and your 2 other brothers are identical triplets. We cant make the difference between the 3 of you. If one of you commit murder, can we hang the other?

If you say no, then why not? because they are a different person. so what makes them different? its their personality. When you say in the name of the father, you will have a certain mental picture, and the son another mental picture and the holy ghost another mental picture. in other words, you have 3 distinct mental pictures. And no matter how hard you try, you will never superimpose these 3 picture and create one. there will every be 3 in your mind. But when i ask the Christians, "how many pictures you see?" they say "One".. Guys, you are lying..
whatever youre saying about twins is true cause they are human but the holy trinity itself is god not people. we cant define the personality of god, jesus and the holy spirit, can we? if you say you can, or anyone say they can, they are lying through their teeths.

you dont have to superimpose anything at all. think of it as in a council of 3 beings - god, jesus and the holy spirit and the "trinity of the 3 being" as a being. since when christian say they see 1 picture. i see 3 pictures of god, a picture of jesus and a picture of holy spirit. but the formality of worship itself refers to god as the holy trinity.

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Originally Posted by Asylii View Post
what catholics and christians believe is, jesus is god.. they coexists as 1 along with the holy spirits to form the holy trinity.

its true that jesus is the son of god.. but god is usually referred to as the holy trinity, all 3 as 1.
3 in 1 , sound familar

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Originally Posted by Asylii View Post
whatever youre saying about twins is true cause they are human but the holy trinity itself is god not people. we cant define the personality of god, jesus and the holy spirit, can we? if you say you can, or anyone say they can, they are lying through their teeths.

you dont have to superimpose anything at all. think of it as in a council of 3 beings - god, jesus and the holy spirit and the "trinity of the 3 being" as a being. since when christian say they see 1 picture. i see 3 pictures of god, a picture of jesus and a picture of holy spirit. but the formality of worship itself refers to god as the holy trinity.
But the trinity is not even in the bible. How can you worship something which is not in the bible?

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But the trinity is not even in the bible. How can you worship something which is not in the bible?
why not, even though its not mentioned in the bible, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. its part of church doctrines.. it would be difficult dwelling more into such details since youre not christian

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- If he was a God he wouldn't look at the heaven most of the time for answers -


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Originally Posted by mika2jap View Post
- If he was a God he wouldn't look at the heaven most of the time for answers -
he only did that when he descended onto earth as a man.

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- He did that and even asked for forgiveness during his crucifixion - He was not a God but just a messenger.

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Originally Posted by UncleBeng View Post
In the past, peoples are damn free, they got no movie to go to, no games to play, no forums to post, no facebook, no youtube etc etc,...so what they do, eat, sleep, dream and write, they like to create visions to seek attention, and as most are lazing around, it is very easy for them to gather around to listen and follow, so to understand about religion we need to go back to that time.

Today we so busy with our work, career, money, life, games, net, relationship, movies, outings..etc etc..where go time to think about visions. That why you see religions were mostly created in long ago historical background. Man are born just 2000 or 2500 ago where many religions was created, we are around about 5000 years ago.
ppl still create new ones nowadays...

just that most get stomped out very fast

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Originally Posted by mika2jap View Post
- He did that and even asked for forgiveness during his crucifixion - He was not a God but just a messenger.
LOL i duno what religion you are from but you got your facts wrong, he didnt asked for forgiveness during his crucifixion.

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- Yes, he did and I don't follow any religion. I am as free as life can be. -


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- Yes, he did and I don't follow any religion. I am as free as life can be. -
nope.. you should read up more about the crucifixion

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I dont think Jesus is God. Jesus was a prophet supposedly from the jewish faith, but many jews disagree with that. I sounds more agreeable TO ME that jesus is a messenger from heaven

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I dont think Jesus is God. Jesus was a prophet supposedly from the jewish faith, but many jews disagree with that. I sounds more agreeable TO ME that jesus is a messenger from heaven
the jewish dont even believe in jesus.. till today they cant accept the fact that their messiah - jesus is born in a stable. they expect their messiah to be born in a palace, reigning in glory.

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- I don't have to read. You read and your mind is guided. Better be free and trust your heart. - A messenger who used marijuana to calm his followers can't be God and it was scientifically proven that he used the substance.

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****WARNING THIS COMMENT MAY OFFEND SOME OF YOU****

The Qur'an said that Jesus(Isa) was a Prophet not a God or Son of God but a Prophet ...God is not a MAN...

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