Our religion..?

DestinyAthrun · 26-03-2009, 04:31 AM

To start off a another matured topic:

About our religion..?

I am sure people and members in our forum all have different views and different concepts of religions as we all have different ones in our homes.

The concept is that, most people do not know that what they hear and read from the books of the religion are mostly modified and taken out to suit our needs and beliefs...

If so what are we actually reading ? or thinking that we know...

Are we being pawned by the upper hands level of society ?

I for one being Christian face this conecpt everyday...

The bible for one, faces critics from issues that many of its original chapters were taken out due to belief that it is not right to our society..if so WHO KNOWS what else they have taken our or modified...

Members do share your views, and please be MATURE about this and NOT MY RELIGION IS RIGHT AND NOT YOURS.

Destiny

**Peuan Sanit** · 27-03-2009, 02:33 PM

There are similiarities between Christianity & Islam especially in the old testaments. Both have Adam & Eve, Ibrahim, etc.

There are also similiarities between buddism and hinduism.

Come to think of it, all religions teaches us to be good, be filial to our parents, do not lie, etc.

Perhaps there is only 1 GOD and he/she is known in different names in different races.

**friendshipz** · 27-03-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peuan Sanit

Come to think of it, all religions teaches us to be good, be filial to our parents, do not lie, etc.

Perhaps there is only 1 GOD and he/she is known in different names in different races.

so what about good? what is the definition of good in all those holy books?

of course "almost" all of them came into consensus in parts of their teaching but just not all of them.

**Emolisher** · 28-03-2009, 10:20 AM

Just sharing, no offend to christianity and this might take awhile, so please bear with me

I was once a devoted follower of XXX but i backslidder and the story start frm here:

Service and cell-group was once fun, enjoyable, knowledgeable and heartwarming but i realise things start to change, with greater power comes greater responsibilities.

I start to feel scare on the way to attend service or cell-group..Will i get reprimanded because i never bring anyone there? because i never finish my task? because i never learn a certain song? because i didnt have any money left for donation? Will the rest of the member look down on me and backstab me?
My relationship gotten worst with my family and friends, my sis found out that i have been going church and question me repeatedly. I quarrelled with them at several occassion, I became hot-tempered and seldom chat with them like i use to anymore..
My friends in poly start to avoid me as im persistant on asking them to join us. They didnt invite me for any of their parties too.I start to drift further and further away frm my family members and friends..
The only friends i left was my church's friend

As days passby,
more and more newcomer joined us,i start to feel that im being ignore. There was no more fun, enjoyable and heartwarming left in attending service or cellgroup. I have made the biggest decision in my life, i straighten my thoughts and disappear from service and cellgroup..
They start to call me up, start to ask about me, start to concern abt me, the feeling is back when i first came in contact with God but it was all too late..
My decision was so firm that not even in the name of God can change my mind..

My family were relieved, my frnds celebrated with me and i felt a stone being lifted in my heart..I have decided to live life without regret. I believe in my heart that even if i dont have any religion, i can still be good, i can still be filial to my parent, i can still forbid myself to swear, curse or backstab anyone. So i follow some of the teaching in my own way and glad that i am a happier man..

P.S This question is always in my mind, anyone can answer? : Let say there is this 2 guy. A & B

In the whole life of Guy A, he murder, kills, rape, etc etc..but at the last moment before he die, he realise that he committed too many sin and regretted. He repent wholeheartedly hoping for God to forgive him and baptized before he die.

In the whole life of Guy B, he seldom swear, curse or backstab. He don't smoke, don't drink, don't gamble and was faithful to his wife. He was a free thinker though and religion never once crossed his mind.
One day, there was a fire breakout in the building of where they live. He grab his family and dash out of the building. He realise that there is some others that was still trap inside. He went in to save them but die during the process..

So will Guy A go to heaven as he accepted God?
Will Guy B get rejected at the gate of heaven?

*Pardon my bad english*

NORZISH · 28-03-2009, 10:42 AM

To my point of view.

I feel religion is a no need.

Classifications of religion and races can cause disagreements and might

even cause fights, riots or even war!

**JeForceX** · 28-03-2009, 11:02 AM

I used to be a Christian in the past but quitted after quite some time.
Because I feel that there is no need of a religion for me as it kind of serve no purpose other than wasting my precious time which I could actually spend them to study for my exams.

As long as there is food on the table everyday, I am already more than satisfied with my life.

hellight · 28-03-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emolisher

Just sharing, no offend to christianity and this might take awhile, so please bear with me

I was once a devoted follower of XXX but i backslidder and the story start frm here:

Service and cell-group was once fun, enjoyable, knowledgeable and heartwarming but i realise things start to change, with greater power comes greater responsibilities.

I start to feel scare on the way to attend service or cell-group..Will i get reprimanded because i never bring anyone there? because i never finish my task? because i never learn a certain song? because i didnt have any money left for donation? Will the rest of the member look down on me and backstab me?
My relationship gotten worst with my family and friends, my sis found out that i have been going church and question me repeatedly. I quarrelled with them at several occassion, I became hot-tempered and seldom chat with them like i use to anymore..
My friends in poly start to avoid me as im persistant on asking them to join us. They didnt invite me for any of their parties too.I start to drift further and further away frm my family members and friends..
The only friends i left was my church's friend

As days passby,
more and more newcomer joined us,i start to feel that im being ignore. There was no more fun, enjoyable and heartwarming left in attending service or cellgroup. I have made the biggest decision in my life, i straighten my thoughts and disappear from service and cellgroup..
They start to call me up, start to ask about me, start to concern abt me, the feeling is back when i first came in contact with God but it was all too late..
My decision was so firm that not even in the name of God can change my mind..

My family were relieved, my frnds celebrated with me and i felt a stone being lifted in my heart..I have decided to live life without regret. I believe in my heart that even if i dont have any religion, i can still be good, i can still be filial to my parent, i can still forbid myself to swear, curse or backstab anyone. So i follow some of the teaching in my own way and glad that i am a happier man..

P.S This question is always in my mind, anyone can answer? : Let say there is this 2 guy. A & B

In the whole life of Guy A, he murder, kills, rape, etc etc..but at the last moment before he die, he realise that he committed too many sin and regretted. He repent wholeheartedly hoping for God to forgive him and baptized before he die.

In the whole life of Guy B, he seldom swear, curse or backstab. He don't smoke, don't drink, don't gamble and was faithful to his wife. He was a free thinker though and religion never once crossed his mind.
One day, there was a fire breakout in the building of where they live. He grab his family and dash out of the building. He realise that there is some others that was still trap inside. He went in to save them but die during the process..

So will Guy A go to heaven as he accepted God?
Will Guy B get rejected at the gate of heaven?

*Pardon my bad english*

Logically speaking, Guy B has done more good than Guy A. If we put aside the dogma, then Guy B is a saint.

NORZISH · 28-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeForceX

I used to be a Christian in the past but quitted after quite some time.
Because I feel that there is no need of a religion for me as it kind of serve no purpose other than wasting my precious time which I could actually spend them to study for my exams.

As long as there is food on the table everyday, I am already more than satisfied with my life.

Thats a nice 1 bro!

**JeForceX** · 28-03-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NORZISH

Thats a nice 1 bro!

Thanks bro, I am standing side by side with you too.

During a economic crisis, terrorist outbreak, world war or even nuclear fallout, your religion cant save you.
You must save yourself with your own capabilities instead.

**Emolisher** · 28-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellight

Logically speaking, Guy B has done more good than Guy A. If we put aside the dogma, then Guy B is a saint.

Yup, and many of my christian frnd ans last time sad to say but yes..Guy A will enter heaven while Guy B may not

battleboy131 · 28-03-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeForceX

I used to be a Christian in the past but quitted after quite some time.
Because I feel that there is no need of a religion for me as it kind of serve no purpose other than wasting my precious time which I could actually spend them to study for my exams.

As long as there is food on the table everyday, I am already more than satisfied with my life.

i like your last sentence... i believe we are the ones that work towards for our survival, our needs and wants.

not religion.

hansheng · 28-03-2009, 07:27 PM

Ya...religion is not a need, since god had fated everything...wat can we do? just enjoy ur life when u can...=)

hellight · 01-04-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emolisher

Yup, and many of my christian frnd ans last time sad to say but yes..Guy A will enter heaven while Guy B may not

Not to offend them but their faith have covered up logic. Like you and i know, some things is just like that, not to even say if its right and wrong.

Haha, why dont they say, God gave us a mind to think, and logic is the product which comes out. So logic is linked to God and if our logic says people who do good will go heaven, isnt that part of God's view? Funny that they have this kind of idea.

hellight added 1 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

Quote:

Originally Posted by friendshipz

so what about good? what is the definition of good in all those holy books?

of course "almost" all of them came into consensus in parts of their teaching but just not all of them.

Good and evil is just a definition only. Depends on the degree you see it.
Theres only wholesome and unwholesome acts which causes either happiness or suffering.

**friendshipz** · 03-04-2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellight

Good and evil is just a definition only. Depends on the degree you see it.
Theres only wholesome and unwholesome acts which causes either happiness or suffering.

yeh, its only a definition, but there is always room for "what if"

**fallendust** · 06-04-2009, 05:26 PM

We are born to believe in religion that our parents have installed values in us. Maybe in middle path of the journey, we may realise our belief need changing and converting to another religion, most of us will feel strongly of our religion, such that other religion cant humilate our own religion.

If everyone in the world learns to be free-thinker, there's no war occuring due to religious issues.

**PECTOPAH** · 06-04-2009, 05:33 PM

i believe religion has its uses
but not everyone needs one

uglybutadorable · 10-04-2009, 04:56 PM

To simplify all the profound answers,

most religions are created to maintain the welfare of mankind. (Drop Satan)

If u believe that u are a good enough person, there is no need for u to be extremely devoted in any forms of religions. Unless u wanna become a priest or monk...

They are there to set lost minds at ease, and to prevent chaos and conflicts that may be arise. A medium for human to find relief.

**XxShannnxX** · 10-04-2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emolisher

Just sharing, no offend to christianity and this might take awhile, so please bear with me

I was once a devoted follower of XXX but i backslidder and the story start frm here:

Service and cell-group was once fun, enjoyable, knowledgeable and heartwarming but i realise things start to change, with greater power comes greater responsibilities.

I start to feel scare on the way to attend service or cell-group..Will i get reprimanded because i never bring anyone there? because i never finish my task? because i never learn a certain song? because i didnt have any money left for donation? Will the rest of the member look down on me and backstab me?
My relationship gotten worst with my family and friends, my sis found out that i have been going church and question me repeatedly. I quarrelled with them at several occassion, I became hot-tempered and seldom chat with them like i use to anymore..
My friends in poly start to avoid me as im persistant on asking them to join us. They didnt invite me for any of their parties too.I start to drift further and further away frm my family members and friends..
The only friends i left was my church's friend

As days passby,
more and more newcomer joined us,i start to feel that im being ignore. There was no more fun, enjoyable and heartwarming left in attending service or cellgroup. I have made the biggest decision in my life, i straighten my thoughts and disappear from service and cellgroup..
They start to call me up, start to ask about me, start to concern abt me, the feeling is back when i first came in contact with God but it was all too late..
My decision was so firm that not even in the name of God can change my mind..

My family were relieved, my frnds celebrated with me and i felt a stone being lifted in my heart..I have decided to live life without regret. I believe in my heart that even if i dont have any religion, i can still be good, i can still be filial to my parent, i can still forbid myself to swear, curse or backstab anyone. So i follow some of the teaching in my own way and glad that i am a happier man..

P.S This question is always in my mind, anyone can answer? : Let say there is this 2 guy. A & B

In the whole life of Guy A, he murder, kills, rape, etc etc..but at the last moment before he die, he realise that he committed too many sin and regretted. He repent wholeheartedly hoping for God to forgive him and baptized before he die.

In the whole life of Guy B, he seldom swear, curse or backstab. He don't smoke, don't drink, don't gamble and was faithful to his wife. He was a free thinker though and religion never once crossed his mind.
One day, there was a fire breakout in the building of where they live. He grab his family and dash out of the building. He realise that there is some others that was still trap inside. He went in to save them but die during the process..

So will Guy A go to heaven as he accepted God?
Will Guy B get rejected at the gate of heaven?

*Pardon my bad english*

hey i haven been through similar things with you man .
i used to be a christian and i always quarrel with my family and friends cause i always go to the church .
my friends and i got drifted cause i always force them to church .
after months where new people started coming to church ,
im like ignored and my cell group leaders knows too .
she asked me to join the group with girls but they just look down on me .
i don't know why also . xD
after i quitted church ,
i've never regretted being a free thinker .

**Emolisher** · 11-04-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxShannnxX

hey i haven been through similar things with you man .
i used to be a christian and i always quarrel with my family and friends cause i always go to the church .
my friends and i got drifted cause i always force them to church .
after months where new people started coming to church ,
im like ignored and my cell group leaders knows too .
she asked me to join the group with girls but they just look down on me .
i don't know why also . xD
after i quitted church ,
i've never regretted being a free thinker .

Woo cheers, seems like we both made a wrong step in the wrong church

**-chocomint** · 11-04-2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peuan Sanit

There are similiarities between Christianity & Islam especially in the old testaments. Both have Adam & Eve, Ibrahim, etc.

There are also similiarities between buddism and hinduism.

Come to think of it, all religions teaches us to be good, be filial to our parents, do not lie, etc.

Perhaps there is only 1 GOD and he/she is known in different names in different races.

Yup, I think our religions are similar with one another in a way.