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Old 11th April 2010, 04:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

Some people don't even talk to their children in their own mother tongues anymore.

Everyone wants to be 'ang moh pai'. Jialat. I can predict that there will be more and more SPGs next time.

I will definitely teach my children Chinese and make them learn Hokkien, and those vugular words too!

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

Probably you can change your title to : Will you teach future generation to speak in dialects?
Not many of us are so blissful to have children yet =x

Anyway, yes! I will~ It does them more benefit than harm i believe less those bad word of course

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

sure why not? now singaporean kids are more and more ang mor lol cant stand it own language also dunno

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Vugular language must know, mainly the common ones such Chesse Burger or Long John stuff or those Father-Mother stuff.

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Vugular language must know, mainly the common ones such Chesse Burger or Long John stuff or those Father-Mother stuff.
wa next time ur kid confrim very vulgar

girls say vugular very unglam
dunno why alot girls like to say

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

No, i will not teach since i don't really know dialect...

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wa next time ur kid confrim very vulgar

girls say vugular very unglam
dunno why alot girls like to say
Yeah i agree I believe many of them were under the influence of vugular male classmates..

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Yeah i agree I believe many of them were under the influence of vugular male classmates
ya most is becos classmate or their parent also talk and plz la girl talk vulugar is so ah lian and unglam

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

i don't even know how to speak my own dialect! hahaha. only know to speak mum's :p
probably won't teach my children since i don't think it'd be very useful. i'd rather make them learn japanese.

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

I think it is rather important to teach our children our roots.

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

dialects is like the color of our chinese culture.. its important for my kids to know at least our own dialect.. my daughter is 2 yrs old and she can understand hokkien and speak it..

but no.. vulgarities i hope not.. it's uncouth to use vulgarities, big turn off in boys and girls..

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

I TOTALLY oppose to ang moh pai styles.

Dialects has a long history. They are the descendants of Old Chinese and Middle Chinese, which is different from modern Chinese. Dialects preserved many tones and pronounciations not found in modern Chinese anymore. Besides, modern Chinese has roots dating back to Yuan Dynasty, and for the rest of Chinese history, Old Chinese and Middle Chinese are being used.

Lastly, dialects is then our real roots. As you know, Singaporean Chinese are descendants from people of southern China. Our native language is our own dialects (Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese etc.) and not Chinese. This Chinese and all those Mandarin Chinese dialects are native to northern China only, not southern China

I will just say, next time if you don't know dialects, it is ok, since even China having this Putonghua promotion going on and many youngsters there also barely can speak dialects. It doesn't matter much, but if you don't know Chinese, I can give you 3 words only:

SHAME ON YOU

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

how do parents teach? i don't even think it's easy to teach but more for your kids to get exposed to it during their early years. weirdly enough, i grew up in a household where my dad constantly talk to my grandparents in cantonese, yet now i still do not understand it. wonder if it is because my infant years were spent in US where i did not hear of such conversations.

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

provided they want to, no point forcing my kids if they don't wanna.

of course I'll ask my parents or my relative to teach them since I no nuts about dialect.
as for chinese, school will teach them. hopefully they will learn, whether they are fluent in it. another story by itself.

as long we've still have kopitiam, Im sure the 2050 generation will still be able to understand chinese.
its because of kopitiam that I understand chinese. cause all the stallholders aren't very good in english & the menu in chinese. bo bian.

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teach the good things
i can't imagine you teaching your daughter vulgar
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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

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I TOTALLY oppose to ang moh pai styles.

Dialects has a long history. They are the descendants of Old Chinese and Middle Chinese, which is different from modern Chinese. Dialects preserved many tones and pronounciations not found in modern Chinese anymore. Besides, modern Chinese has roots dating back to Yuan Dynasty, and for the rest of Chinese history, Old Chinese and Middle Chinese are being used.

Lastly, dialects is then our real roots. As you know, Singaporean Chinese are descendants from people of southern China. Our native language is our own dialects (Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese etc.) and not Chinese. This Chinese and all those Mandarin Chinese dialects are native to northern China only, not southern China

I will just say, next time if you don't know dialects, it is ok, since even China having this Putonghua promotion going on and many youngsters there also barely can speak dialects. It doesn't matter much, but if you don't know Chinese, I can give you 3 words only:

SHAME ON YOU
I think your "We must learn Chinese because we are Chinese" ideology is flawed. Even you mentioned that dialects are "our real roots": which is disputable 'cos we can probably go a lot further back in history (refer to last paragraph). What, exactly, are "our real roots"? We cannot be certain 'cos all languages evolve. And sometimes, the evolution is so drastic that the language differs from how it originally looked like.



Allow me to make a bold claim: The original languages are "drawings". Even in the context of Chinese characters, this is arguably true. Does that mean that "not knowing how to write the original scripts = you aren't deeply rooted = shame on you"? The Chinese language we know today are different from those of the past. And I believe that, like English, the Chinese language has new words added every day.

Also, Chinese words used in Singapore may not necessarily be understood in China and vice versa. Apply this concept to China: China, being big, words used in certain parts may not be comprehensible to others from other areas.

So what, exactly, are our "roots"? We don't know. You seemed to suggest a yardstick by which we determine what our roots are - that we follow what the country our "ancestors" come from is promoting. For instance, putonghua is promoted, hence it is "okay" for you to not know "dialects", which is a more-true-root than putonghua. If, in the unlikely but probable future, Beijing promotes "English", will you change your ideology (using the same reasoning) to "since English is promoted, it is okay for you not to know putonghua. If you don't even know English, shame on you!"?

Well, to end off, demographics and values change. A language's level of relevance in society changes. Take, for instance, Latin was the in-thing last time, but who uses Latin nowadays other than those academics who wish to maintain a certain level of cheemness, lol. The fact is, in theory, nobody wants to be stupid and be disadvantaged - if there is value and there is relevance in learning Chinese, they will. If not, they won't. There's no shame in "not knowing your roots", even most Egyptians nowadays know little about hieroglyphics - it's just not relevant in today's society.

I'd like to end off now. Theoretically, all of Man originated from Africa. Since none of us know the "original root", all of us are shameful.

Teach my younglings? Sure, if it is relevant. If it's not, no way. :]

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Re: Parents, will you teach your children to speak in dialects next time?

Originally Posted by workingtoohard View Post
how do parents teach? i don't even think it's easy to teach but more for your kids to get exposed to it during their early years. weirdly enough, i grew up in a household where my dad constantly talk to my grandparents in cantonese, yet now i still do not understand it. wonder if it is because my infant years were spent in US where i did not hear of such conversations.
i think that's becoz it's not important for u to know how to converse in dialect thus u didnt manage to speak that language.. ur dad is only talking to ur grandparents in cantonese, which it's not concerning you, thus u can juz 'switch off' from that language.. if ur dad converse to you in dialect daily, it won't take you too long to master it..

how parents teach dialect is jus like how parents teach english and mandarin or any other spoken language.. my mother converse to my girl in dialect since day 1.. this is how she pick up hokkien..

my distant cousin moved to Australia since 3 yrs old, and his siblings are all born there.. they although cannot understand or speak chinese, but can speak hokkien to a certain extend though english is their 1st language as their parents do choose to converse in hokkien to them at home..

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what i was wondering is, if parents don't speak to their kids in the dialect since day 1, can the kids still pick it up with ease later on based on just verbal conversations? i mean parents don't really teach their kids in reality, they just speak and we pick it up. its not like "ang moh pai" was our choice, dialect just wasn't our mode of communication within family.

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yes why not? good to learn more language!!

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I think your "We must learn Chinese because we are Chinese" ideology is flawed. Even you mentioned that dialects are "our real roots": which is disputable 'cos we can probably go a lot further back in history (refer to last paragraph). What, exactly, are "our real roots"? We cannot be certain 'cos all languages evolve. And sometimes, the evolution is so drastic that the language differs from how it originally looked like.



Allow me to make a bold claim: The original languages are "drawings". Even in the context of Chinese characters, this is arguably true. Does that mean that "not knowing how to write the original scripts = you aren't deeply rooted = shame on you"? The Chinese language we know today are different from those of the past. And I believe that, like English, the Chinese language has new words added every day.

Also, Chinese words used in Singapore may not necessarily be understood in China and vice versa. Apply this concept to China: China, being big, words used in certain parts may not be comprehensible to others from other areas.

So what, exactly, are our "roots"? We don't know. You seemed to suggest a yardstick by which we determine what our roots are - that we follow what the country our "ancestors" come from is promoting. For instance, putonghua is promoted, hence it is "okay" for you to not know "dialects", which is a more-true-root than putonghua. If, in the unlikely but probable future, Beijing promotes "English", will you change your ideology (using the same reasoning) to "since English is promoted, it is okay for you not to know putonghua. If you don't even know English, shame on you!"?

Well, to end off, demographics and values change. A language's level of relevance in society changes. Take, for instance, Latin was the in-thing last time, but who uses Latin nowadays other than those academics who wish to maintain a certain level of cheemness, lol. The fact is, in theory, nobody wants to be stupid and be disadvantaged - if there is value and there is relevance in learning Chinese, they will. If not, they won't. There's no shame in "not knowing your roots", even most Egyptians nowadays know little about hieroglyphics - it's just not relevant in today's society.

I'd like to end off now. Theoretically, all of Man originated from Africa. Since none of us know the "original root", all of us are shameful.

Teach my younglings? Sure, if it is relevant. If it's not, no way. :]
Well said Jodar. I'vce had this problem since I was born - a whole bunch of Chinese nationalist who has no idea what in the world "native" means expounding the so called "truth" about Chinese having to speak Chinese simply because, period. I mean, have you seen how the Chinese themselves treated their OWN Chinese peope duing the communist era? Communism, by the way, a concept of the west? Why are you so eagerly proud to be assocated with that? Why are you clinging on to that sick notion that you have to be of that "pure" race so you MUST speak the language? And as Jodar says, since we all come from Africa, we should all learn to speak every single language from the countries of Africa.

Well, take me for example. When my mum picks me up from school when I was young, people give me and her wierd stares because my mum's Indian. I HAD to learn Chinese because my IC stated I was Chinese - which wasn't bad really because there's no harm learning another language. I go home and I eat with my hands, my customs are mix of the Indians and Chinese and god knows what language I SHOULD BE SPEAKING. So to make things simple, we all spoke English. Does that make me a caucasian? Well, honestly, I don't give a shit. I'm Singaporean, I'm a person, and that's all I care.

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