[moody moo]

Originally Posted by iisterry

How long will they take to accumulate enough merit to reincarnate then? Imagine when your KMT has to start from calling u kor kor to uncle..:mellow3:

I not really sure how long or how much merit needed, but I got a friend he kept his KMT for almost 50yrs plus liao, hear was pass down by his father :mellow3:

[ladydeath]

Keeping Guman tong, it's really not to advise..
as usually one will have terrible death or the bad stuff will pass on to the next generation...........i used to have a cousin..he keep for awhile...then i don know what happened....the next thing we know is that he die in a bike crash..and really got a ugly death..he broke his skull & was brain dead for 48 hours..after that then he die..he left behind his wife,(21years old, with a 4 years old daugther & a 8 months old son).....well althougth no prove that it got anything to do with it but anwyay i hear from some senior.

[tiewster]

Originally Posted by ladydeath

Keeping Guman tong, it's really not to advise..
as usually one will have terrible death or the bad stuff will pass on to the next generation...........i used to have a cousin..he keep for awhile...then i don know what happened....the next thing we know is that he die in a bike crash..and really got a ugly death..he broke his skull & was brain dead for 48 hours..after that then he die..he left behind his wife,(21years old, with a 4 years old daugther & a 8 months old son).....well althougth no prove that it got anything to do with it but anwyay i hear from some senior.

in my opionion... acccidentally deaths has nothing to do with keeping a KMT... In thai concept, it is just to gain merits for both parties... but chinese often related to gui kia/toyol....

in a debate of whether the KMT does evil or not... it broods down to the owner... :handsup:

[Storm]

Originally Posted by saintz87

I heard these ghost childs feed on pig hearts, or some animal sacrifices that must be fresh. Leave it on a bowl at some place, after a while, the organ will disappear. But do not ask too much gains of it, or it will, ask for a human organ to be consumed. (Forbidden stuff always tastes best)

can u substantiate with wat u heard with proof?thanks

[Storm]

Originally Posted by iisterry

How long will they take to accumulate enough merit to reincarnate then? Imagine when your KMT has to start from calling u kor kor to uncle..:mellow3:

some kmt are even older than the owner....though u may adress them as you kid but maybe the kmt's soul has been around for ages before the ahjahn or lp who consecrated your kmt gets the soul into the amulet/bucha...so its not always younger than the owner....unless its the soul of your own kid that your wife or yourself aborted than its confirm younger than you

[Storm]

Originally Posted by ladydeath

Keeping Guman tong, it's really not to advise..
as usually one will have terrible death or the bad stuff will pass on to the next generation...........i used to have a cousin..he keep for awhile...then i don know what happened....the next thing we know is that he die in a bike crash..and really got a ugly death..he broke his skull & was brain dead for 48 hours..after that then he die..he left behind his wife,(21years old, with a 4 years old daugther & a 8 months old son).....well althougth no prove that it got anything to do with it but anwyay i hear from some senior.

kmy causes death?
sorry i think u got the misconception here
a death after getting a kmt u cant attribute it to the kmt...

how about karma?did u ever take that into consideration too?

cant always attribute bad things to kmt...what happens if your cousin got a buddha amulet and died in the accident,are u gonna attribute it to the buddha as well?

sorry if i offended anybody with my statement

[Storm]

Originally Posted by iisterry

How long will they take to accumulate enough merit to reincarnate then?

to be reincarnated takes time,it could be a few months,a few years,a few decades or even a few centuries,nobody will know exactly when reincarnation takes place,the only time you will know is when your kmt lest u know that he/she is going for reincarnation

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Casper26

I have a friend whom having this kids for months already.

Its really scary, cause she has 13 'kids'. The other time she brought 1 of her 'kid' out during a meetup, I got this extreme giddiness. And I dont have that giddiness after parting with them.

I sometimes really wonder how she take care for all of them.
And according to her, she could 'see' them and even got them a 'ah pa' to take care of the child whilst she work.

Spooked me out. Totally.

kmt are espcially protective towards their paretns especially their mothers...its normal for such things to happen,
taking care of them is just the same as taking care of any kid
as for having an "ah pa" to take care of it,i have never heard of it before unless its the husabnd of the owner (which naturally turns to be the dad ofthe kids )

nothing to be spooked out....

[sylvester134]

Some one mentioned somebody use kumantong to seek 4D numbers and posted them in his blog. I supposed he was referring me.

My Kumantongs give me 4D numbers, I always able to get 3 out of 4 numbers in Top 3 Prizes. I always miss by just 1 number.

Kumantongs are nothing to be afraid off. They are dietified. They are different from "baby ghosts" or kiu Gia or Toyol.

To mention Kumantong, you must know they have to under buddha's teaching.

They come from the same sources such as gui kia , toyols. Kumantongs are child or baby souls that unable to reborn due to past negative karma, say they pass away in moms' stomaches, or tragic death, or abortions.

Kumantongs nowadays are casted in bronze, muds, wooden blocks, and chanted by monk or ar chans to invite the child spirits who wanted to be blessed and deitified as "devine child spirits". They have to go through oath taking willing to accept buddhas' teachings.

Take note of the symbols on the kumantongs statues, those are buddha's symbols use in buddha's amulets.

As for gui kias or toyols, gui kia are under mao shan fa shu, and toyols are from bomohs.

Infact south east asia and china tribes have their own version of baby ghosts.

Kumantongs are powerful like gui kias and toyols if you have mastered the occult art like the masters or ar chans.

Kumantongs can turn stone tortises into live ones temporarily if you have the occult power.

Kumantongs can be prayed for luck and winning of lottery and improve businesses.

Kumantongs never use for evil deeds. But you can if you want to. To turn kumantongs into evil ones, just feed them with your own blood.

I don't buy drinks or feed my kumantongs, when i win 4D then i put some candies on the altar, after few days the candies go inside my stamach.

Can you place kumantongs on the same altar of your deities say tua peh kong? Yes you can, but place it lower, kumantongs are considered little devine child spirits.

Your home deities will not interfere your kumantongs as they are your little protecters or devine child spirits which you brought in to your own house on your own accord. Your deities simply bochab them.

If you are dabbling gui kias or toyols then you have to ask other masters.

[sylvester134]

My 4D Blog is here: win4d-with-kumantong.blogspot.com

To see the Real Gui Kia working magic, you can go down to Bugis OG outside every day around 2.30pm, a master will use his real gui kias to turn salted fish n dry tortise and turn them alive temporarily.

Here is a video clip about him I put on youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=00MQA_WGev8

To understand different type of gui kias and kumantongs , please watch:
youtube.com/watch?v=yBag8lQbqrM

[Storm]

Originally Posted by sylvester134

Kumantongs never use for evil deeds. But you can if you want to. To turn kumantongs into evil ones, just feed them with your own blood.

sorry it takes more than your own blood to turn them evil,just like i ever mentioned b4 even the buddha on your altar can be turned into a demon if u know the way to do it,not rebuking wat u say but than,most importantly is not let those kmt keepers wannabes be too mystified about the whole issue in the end they forgot about the real intention of keeping kmt

[sylvester134]

Originally Posted by theright0ne

i haf a kumantong b4. i think was few yrs ago. all along i love kumantong alot alot. from the start i will get kumantong amulets to wear on. even amulets itself i oso buy sweets and milk to offer them. soon i got 1 very cute kumantong satue. i din felt much presence there. but i still continue to offer. den i went to look for a "shi fu" which is some sort a fren of mine. i asked him some qns. about whether de kumantong is there anot. somehow i forget ler. sry >< but b4 tat my uncle had ask a " feng sui shi " to our house. and he claim tat de kuman muz remove. and he is sitting to high ler. coz i play him on the altar with my buddhas. he is sitting right infront of my buddha. so dad use the two red cube. [ ppl use to pray and wish. den throw this two red cube on floor to see whether de buddha approve anot. approve will be 1 open and 1 close ] dont know wat is it call. ok den dad threw. kuman disapprove. dad ask for around twice. den i say.. mayb im de 1 who wants to get it. why not i try. so i threw. ONCE and de kuman agree. somehow i love him alot. but really cant sense de pressense. and rmb wat de feng sui shi says. muz remove him coz he will hurt our family later on. i was like WTF. and very sad. so soon theres a shi fu came to bring my kuman away.

and now i just haf a new didi. mayb de shi fu dont wan kuman to hurt my didi? :handsup:

crazy feng shui master who doesn't know what is kumantong.

you can keep kumantongs, but just place it lower than buddha statues.

Kumantongs are nice devine child spirits who will protect you from harm. Unless, what you get are black magic baby ghosts or toyols. In this case , you must have the knowledge of occult art to control them.

[killtheblackkat]

making use of kumantongs to earn money is the most evil and stupidest thing to do. we adopt them is to gain merits and do charity... not to make use of them one. if you treat them good and doesnt adopt them for any motives, the kumantongs will like wise do you a favor too.

no offense to anybody but... what comes around goes around. one day when your kumantongs grow up, then good luck to u liao:mellow3:

no kumantongs will harm its master one. but being kids they are sure to be a little mischievous. then that is up to the owner to discipline liao....

[Storm]

Originally Posted by killtheblackkat

making use of kumantongs to earn money is the most evil and stupidest thing to do. we adopt them is to gain merits and do charity... not to make use of them one. if you treat them good and doesnt adopt them for any motives, the kumantongs will like wise do you a favor too.

no offense to anybody but... what comes around goes around. one day when your kumantongs grow up, then good luck to u liao:mellow3:

no kumantongs will harm its master one. but being kids they are sure to be a little mischievous. then that is up to the owner to discipline liao....

wow u seem to know a lot about kmt huh?at least u know its wrong to make use of kmt to strike lottery ...and know wat adopting kmt is all about really....kudos to you

[Wintermaul]

Hm... correct me if I am wrong but I have heard before that Kumantongs worked as the same as our fortune god in Thai practice. They are kids who you chose to adopt to help the family.

Basically, these kids have no good or evil differences but it depends alot on the owner instead. The owner is kind, then the KMT will be good. If the owner is evil, then the KMT will be evil too.

Furthermore, have heard also that placing them near Buddha statues, they will not come out cause they are afraid of the Buddhas. To make them work best is to place them at your 财位 at home. You must love it like your own kid then it will work for you.

I learnt this cause my dad has a friend who practices Thai crafts to help people only. Once he let my dad adopt a cute one home. But cos we never take care of it properly it grew naughty to get attention from us. Then one of the masters my dad know ask him to send the kid back to a Thai temple since we don't know how to take care of it. Better for it to listen to scriptures and be taken care by monks instead of us. So eventually we send the kid away. Quite sad la, cos it's quite cute also. Just that a bit naughty at times haiix... Think we are a busy family made up of adults and teenagers so no one has time for it.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Wintermaul

Hm... correct me if I am wrong but I have heard before that Kumantongs worked as the same as our fortune god in Thai practice. They are kids who you chose to adopt to help the family.

Basically, these kids have no good or evil differences but it depends alot on the owner instead. The owner is kind, then the KMT will be good. If the owner is evil, then the KMT will be evil too.

Furthermore, have heard also that placing them near Buddha statues, they will not come out cause they are afraid of the Buddhas. To make them work best is to place them at your 财位 at home. You must love it like your own kid then it will work for you.

I learnt this cause my dad has a friend who practices Thai crafts to help people only. Once he let my dad adopt a cute one home. But cos we never take care of it properly it grew naughty to get attention from us. Then one of the masters my dad know ask him to send the kid back to a Thai temple since we don't know how to take care of it. Better for it to listen to scriptures and be taken care by monks instead of us. So eventually we send the kid away. Quite sad la, cos it's quite cute also. Just that a bit naughty at times haiix... Think we are a busy family made up of adults and teenagers so no one has time for it.

kmt are wandering spirits of kids who either got aborted and have not got a chance to live or are spirits of kids who did not have the chance to reach adolences.

but once they are being adopted and put into an amulet or bucha they are automatically elevated to the level of a low ranking deity,similar to the earth dieity in other words they are deities of the lowest rank

and thats the reson why they are placed on the altar that is lower than buddha,all deities even devas need to listen to the preaching of buddha to gain enlightment so there is no reasoning why they say kmt cannot be placed below a buddha and they wont come out.

i thnk a lot of pple still dont really know how things work with kmt,the famous lp teh's kmt gatha loosely translates into the following "by entering this household,you are considered part of the family and its your responsibility to take care of tis household"

kmt can be very nice deities to be with but at the end of the day,dont forget they are still kids and are easily influenced by the thnking and doing of the "parents" that dopt the kmt.

you as the father or mother will be the one moulding how your kmt will behave.

as for striking 4d and such,its all about the good karma you create by adopting them.

no doubt about it that all humans pray to their respective deities,with some intentions at the end of the day be it for good luck or for blessings or even for 4d,why are humans making use of deities to get wat they want?shouldn't it be praying with no intentions at all?
maybe some of you may think that who i am to make such an statment,true enough i am in no position to make such a statement because i am also making use of the deities and devas to do things,like asking for safety when i leave the country,asking my kmt to take care of my house and follow my parents and take care of them wherever they go,i guess these are just the common things pple ask deities to do.

there are also *******s who make use of deities to get back at their enemies(yes,deities can be manipulated by craft practitioners to do bda things)asking them to grant them ill gotten riches,etc etc etc

at the end of the day,its still the heart of the person coupled with the intentions that makes the deities have a good/bad name

and of cos diff pple always hear from other pple and at the end of the day "a" can be "z" at the end of the day.

as for your dad's fren,is he is white robe ahjahn or just someone who learsn the craft on his won cos any ahjahn will know that its wrong to say that kmt when placed under the buddha will not come out. cos you see almost in all thai altars kmt are either placed on the floor below the buddha or at the lowest step of the altar or just besides the lowest step of the altar....its still below the buddha and also buddha is compasssonionate and such why would he "tekan" the child deities?and also buddha gained nibanna,he is already in non existence so why would the kids be afraid of him?even for us humans,we are just praying to a piece of wood or fibre or metal or stone carved into the shape of the buddha,wat is left is only the dharmma that the buddha left behind.
but this applies only to the buddha hor,dont be mistaken that all deities and devas are also like that,their spirits do resides in the amulets,buchas that pple own

[Wintermaul]

Originally Posted by Storm_Pyro

kmt are wandering spirits of kids who either got aborted and have not got a chance to live or are spirits of kids who did not have the chance to reach adolences.

but once they are being adopted and put into an amulet or bucha they are automatically elevated to the level of a low ranking deity,similar to the earth dieity in other words they are deities of the lowest rank

and thats the reson why they are placed on the altar that is lower than buddha,all deities even devas need to listen to the preaching of buddha to gain enlightment so there is no reasoning why they say kmt cannot be placed below a buddha and they wont come out.

i thnk a lot of pple still dont really know how things work with kmt,the famous lp teh's kmt gatha loosely translates into the following "by entering this household,you are considered part of the family and its your responsibility to take care of tis household"

kmt can be very nice deities to be with but at the end of the day,dont forget they are still kids and are easily influenced by the thnking and doing of the "parents" that dopt the kmt.

you as the father or mother will be the one moulding how your kmt will behave.

as for striking 4d and such,its all about the good karma you create by adopting them.

no doubt about it that all humans pray to their respective deities,with some intentions at the end of the day be it for good luck or for blessings or even for 4d,why are humans making use of deities to get wat they want?shouldn't it be praying with no intentions at all?
maybe some of you may think that who i am to make such an statment,true enough i am in no position to make such a statement because i am also making use of the deities and devas to do things,like asking for safety when i leave the country,asking my kmt to take care of my house and follow my parents and take care of them wherever they go,i guess these are just the common things pple ask deities to do.

there are also *******s who make use of deities to get back at their enemies(yes,deities can be manipulated by craft practitioners to do bda things)asking them to grant them ill gotten riches,etc etc etc

at the end of the day,its still the heart of the person coupled with the intentions that makes the deities have a good/bad name

and of cos diff pple always hear from other pple and at the end of the day "a" can be "z" at the end of the day.

as for your dad's fren,is he is white robe ahjahn or just someone who learsn the craft on his won cos any ahjahn will know that its wrong to say that kmt when placed under the buddha will not come out. cos you see almost in all thai altars kmt are either placed on the floor below the buddha or at the lowest step of the altar or just besides the lowest step of the altar....its still below the buddha and also buddha is compasssonionate and such why would he "tekan" the child deities?and also buddha gained nibanna,he is already in non existence so why would the kids be afraid of him?even for us humans,we are just praying to a piece of wood or fibre or metal or stone carved into the shape of the buddha,wat is left is only the dharmma that the buddha left behind.
but this applies only to the buddha hor,dont be mistaken that all deities and devas are also like that,their spirits do resides in the amulets,buchas that pple own

Ah.... in the last part I think you got a misconception. The one who told my dad that was another person... not the same person... but it is true that KMT is one of a lower ranking dieties as heard.

Not say the Buddha will "tekan" the kid though. Its just that naturally the KMT will respect the Buddhas more and be more well-behaved, thats what my dad say that they will not misbehave when placed at altar. But you see them less active at home like walking about. Cos sometimes I can see the child walking about.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Wintermaul

Ah.... in the last part I think you got a misconception. The one who told my dad that was another person... not the same person... but it is true that KMT is one of a lower ranking dieties as heard.

Not say the Buddha will "tekan" the kid though. Its just that naturally the KMT will respect the Buddhas more and be more well-behaved, thats what my dad say that they will not misbehave when placed at altar. But you see them less active at home like walking about. Cos sometimes I can see the child walking about.

sorry my mistake ...kekeke....

well its not true about that kmt are more well behaved in the presence of buddha,reason ebing,how can they be well behaved when buddha is not there?logical right?they will still come out and do wat they want and play like normal kids,its just that you as a parent the moment you bring the kmt home you hafta let them know the "house rules" that you laid down for them,if not they will be punished,just like my kmt they have a habit of rearing ants and lizards and every morning at 5am there would be a lizard that passes tru a particular route of my room until,i scolded them about rearing ants(there is no reason to have ants because i dont open the packets of sweets i buy for them and their milk is in milk bottles and even the food attracts ants,the ants should be crowding around the sweet food but than these ants just dont go to their food area and just other parts of my room,i scolded them a few times telling them not to rear ants in the end they refuse to listen and i punished them by not giving them any physical offerings,so now wat they wanna eat or drink they "tell" me so i eat on their behalf,thats why sometimes my friends are very amazed at how fast i can finish a 3liter tub of ice cream within 15mins and sometimes i just have cravings for sweets and sweet drinks,and they told me that whenever i eat such stuff i look like a kid!well i just luaghed it off cos i know thats my kids eating tru me.

[Wintermaul]

Originally Posted by Storm_Pyro

sorry my mistake ...kekeke....

well its not true about that kmt are more well behaved in the presence of buddha,reason ebing,how can they be well behaved when buddha is not there?logical right?they will still come out and do wat they want and play like normal kids,its just that you as a parent the moment you bring the kmt home you hafta let them know the "house rules" that you laid down for them,if not they will be punished,just like my kmt they have a habit of rearing ants and lizards and every morning at 5am there would be a lizard that passes tru a particular route of my room until,i scolded them about rearing ants(there is no reason to have ants because i dont open the packets of sweets i buy for them and their milk is in milk bottles and even the food attracts ants,the ants should be crowding around the sweet food but than these ants just dont go to their food area and just other parts of my room,i scolded them a few times telling them not to rear ants in the end they refuse to listen and i punished them by not giving them any physical offerings,so now wat they wanna eat or drink they "tell" me so i eat on their behalf,thats why sometimes my friends are very amazed at how fast i can finish a 3liter tub of ice cream within 15mins and sometimes i just have cravings for sweets and sweet drinks,and they told me that whenever i eat such stuff i look like a kid!well i just luaghed it off cos i know thats my kids eating tru me.

This reminds me why my house have a freaking lots of ants when we had the kid and they miraculously disappear when we send the kid away -_-||| think we are not suitable to keep KMT cos I will tend to pamper kids. I gave it a lot of gummy sweets, packet milk, rice crackers. Sometimes I feel funny, like I bought one kind of titbits the previous day. The next day I go buy another one like I know the kid don't like the other one... duno how to explain oso... :confused2:

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Wintermaul

This reminds me why my house have a freaking lots of ants when we had the kid and they miraculously disappear when we send the kid away -_-||| think we are not suitable to keep KMT cos I will tend to pamper kids. I gave it a lot of gummy sweets, packet milk, rice crackers. Sometimes I feel funny, like I bought one kind of titbits the previous day. The next day I go buy another one like I know the kid don't like the other one... duno how to explain oso... :confused2:

hahaha...that happesn when u have kmt at home,its their way of telling u that the sweets you bought for them previous day is not the type your kmt wants.

if you spot ants at the sweets area,means your kmt is not al home thus nvr eat the offerings you made.
mine is they are keeping as pets cos the stupid ants are not at the sweets area!