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Old 22nd August 2007, 11:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

a collegue of mine had to abort her pregnancy at about 9 weeks due to no heartbeat on the fetus. She told me she'll need to pray (perform some ritual ) in temple for the unborn child after abortion.

she believe if she dont do it, the unborn child spirit cannot be reincarnate and will follow her.

Care to share if u ever heard such thing? Do u believe?

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by feliciarosey
a collegue of mine had to abort her pregnancy at about 9 weeks due to no heartbeat on the fetus. She told me she'll need to pray (perform some ritual ) in temple for the unborn child after abortion.

she believe if she dont do it, the unborn child spirit cannot be reincarnate and will follow her.

Care to share if u ever heard such thing? Do u believe?
No heartbeat = dead mah. She also didn't do it purposely. Believing is alright but I feel sometimes too much is just too much.:shifty3:

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Old 22nd August 2007, 05:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

she is correct, is true.

i have a true story of this, will post later. :rock:

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Old 22nd August 2007, 05:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

i think i heard something similar leh. anyway can always keep the child as a kmt mah...pls correct me if i am wrong.

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

yes she can choose to keep her child into a statue or amulet. She can keep it as a KMT. You can ask around for more infomation.

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Normally the unborn baby's spirit will fellow the father instead of the mother... As i heard from my frens... Not so sure about it....

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

what is a KMT?

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

KMT= ku man tong. I saw a thread on this.
but i tot keep dead unborn bb is called as 'gui kia'. Tot got diff between KMT & 'gui kia'?

anyhow, tis collegue of mine told me she heard from a frenz tat a lady frenz whom after abortion, the family was in bad luck till they saw a medium tat told them they din perform proper ritual, so the 'kid' was following them.

yeobt, share ur story with us leh. Really interested to know more....

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

from what i heard is... becoz this child is not born yet and already got killed, his time is not up yet. when arrived to the nether world, he will continue to develop there and when reached the right time, he will be 'born' out but then will not be a human. but a spirit instead. then he will continue to grow up like a normal kid in the nether world lor.

i have a friend who has went through 3 abortions... i really dont mind helping her adopting all her aborted children and keep them as kmt. but then dont have the fetus body or tomb leh...:handsup:

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by feliciarosey
KMT= ku man tong. I saw a thread on this.
but i tot keep dead unborn bb is called as 'gui kia'. Tot got diff between KMT & 'gui kia'?

anyhow, tis collegue of mine told me she heard from a frenz tat a lady frenz whom after abortion, the family was in bad luck till they saw a medium tat told them they din perform proper ritual, so the 'kid' was following them.

yeobt, share ur story with us leh. Really interested to know more....
鬼童 refers to a child spirit. but a kmt is a child spirit who has went through some rituals and became a kmt. it is something like a low rank god la (like 土地公)

pls correct me if i am wrong:mellow3:

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Old 23rd August 2007, 10:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

the problem with us is human beings are alway less bother to go by the
right channel to find out the truth and proper way of doing certain thing
they need to do. most of the time, they only asking around which some
are not in the position of giving the advice at all. in the end, everything
is heresay theresay...

as such, i actually created a blog myself to explain all these. if you
need further assistance, for goodness sake, plz get advice from a
professional or a medium from a reputable temple. :runnynose:

you want the story? go here...
http://www.sgclub.com/singapore/true...ies_16500.html :devil2:


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Old 23rd August 2007, 03:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

basically diff religions got diff ways of treating this issue.
mahayanese buddhists will leave it to the temple to settle the issue.
theravadin buddhists will do it tru the kmt way.
so its entirely up to each individual to decide how they want to do it.
in my own opinion,its best to get a monk to do it because he is someone who represents the buddha and in terms of realms wise,buddhahood is the ultimate level so the power of his dharmma will be the most appropriate to do it.
but of cos this may be rebutted by another person who may have a total different set of beliefs from me

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I heard it before.. Actually whether is it religious based anot, all this kind of ritual is a form of mind relaxing. After a mother perform le, she may feel at ease, coz at least she have "settle" her unborn child. Otherwise she will feel that she never do anything for her unborn baby, then she will start thinking of unrealistic things, which may turn into nightmare, illusion etc.

Religious or any ritual perform is just an act to ease our mind.

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by yeobt
the problem with us is human beings are alway less bother to go by the
right channel to find out the truth and proper way of doing certain thing
they need to do. most of the time, they only asking around which some
are not in the position of giving the advice at all. in the end, everything
is heresay theresay...

as such, i actually created a blog myself to explain all these. if you
need further assistance, for goodness sake, plz get advice from a
professional or a medium from a reputable temple. :runnynose:

you want the story? go here...
http://www.sgclub.com/singapore/true...ies_16500.html :devil2:
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I read your link but could not relate any link to the KMT discussion. The story there is just telling how the temple medium with the help of deity dee ya pek 二爷伯 subdue the spirit. Further more you are linking an suspended account under Taxi Uncle of reasons unknown. :handsup:

Can you indicate your blog address so that we could find out more info from there. I think you are quite knowledgeable in some way pertaining to the respective spiritualism. Care to share more? :mellow3:

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by SgUncle
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I read your link but could not relate any link to the KMT discussion. The story there is just telling how the temple medium with the help of deity dee ya pek  subdue the spirit. Further more you are linking an suspended account under Taxi Uncle of reasons unknown. :handsup:

Can you indicate your blog address so that we could find out more info from there. I think you are quite knowledgeable in some way pertaining to the respective spiritualism. Care to share more? :mellow3:
i think he meant to promote the temple that hw thinks is able to help.

lets not question his goodwill gesture here ok?

but than i know promoting of any webby relating to any other company is not allowed here but promoting of temple?hmm...not sure if this rule applies here as well though

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by MissyQiqi
I heard it before.. Actually whether is it religious based anot, all this kind of ritual is a form of mind relaxing. After a mother perform le, she may feel at ease, coz at least she have "settle" her unborn child. Otherwise she will feel that she never do anything for her unborn baby, then she will start thinking of unrealistic things, which may turn into nightmare, illusion etc.

Religious or any ritual perform is just an act to ease our mind.
you are partly right.

actually hor, every religion believe in after life. is only that most religion
dont emphasize offering to the decease like taoism. :rock:

my point is, whichever your religion is, juz dont sit on it pretending that
there is nothing happened. talk to your respective religion head and
let them handle the unborn soul correctly. :runnynose:

if u happen to have fren that can see spirit, trust me, most of the
wondering spirits they see is child spirit. why? becos ppl tends to
think unborn child is lifeless and that abortion is nothing. that is wrong! :shifty3:

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Re: Spirits of unborn fetus (abortion)

Originally Posted by SgUncle
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I read your link but could not relate any link to the KMT discussion. The story there is just telling how the temple medium with the help of deity dee ya pek 二爷伯 subdue the spirit. Further more you are linking an suspended account under Taxi Uncle of reasons unknown. :handsup:

Can you indicate your blog address so that we could find out more info from there. I think you are quite knowledgeable in some way pertaining to the respective spiritualism. Care to share more?
halo uncle, i dont have any link related to kmt becos i'm not familiar with
tat aspect. i'm a taoist and only have a blog that dedicated to the taoism
practises i accumulated thru the years i experienced. :rock:

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i think he meant to promote the temple that hw thinks is able to help.

lets not question his goodwill gesture here ok?

but than i know promoting of any webby relating to any other company is not allowed here but promoting of temple?hmm...not sure if this rule applies here as well though
i pressume personal blog link is allowed right? :handsup: :biggrin4:

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Originally Posted by yeobt
halo uncle, i dont have any link related to kmt becos i'm not familiar with
tat aspect. i'm a taoist and only have a blog that dedicated to the taoism
practises i accumulated thru the years i experienced. :rock:

I can see dat u are a taoist from d way u post........but u still hve not answered my questions le......wat is ur blog address that dedicated to taoism? So far u r quite good at relating stories whether friction or truth in d forum. I would accept it as reading pleasure. But if u cannot let d rest hve a better understanding of taoism or buddhism, it is as good as just telling stories which led most more curious but no answers le.....:handsup:

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Originally Posted by SgUncle
I can see dat u are a taoist from d way u post........but u still hve not answered my questions le......wat is ur blog address that dedicated to taoism? So far u r quite good at relating stories whether friction or truth in d forum. I would accept it as reading pleasure. But if u cannot let d rest hve a better understanding of taoism or buddhism, it is as good as just telling stories which led most more curious but no answers le.....:handsup:
uncle, get curious abit more lah, give me abit more time to steal the
show lah, mai kan jiong. i will reveal the link shortly. :biggrin4:

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