[vertexdisk]

Originally Posted by PrincessCookie

They are PR although they are born in China. We shouldnt treat them as aliens. So are we saying that our grandparents are born in China, we treat them as foreigners or aliens too?

Originally Posted by ScryonX

How many times must people always dispute over this same topic.

If you're not happy with a team of foreign talents bringing in medals for Singapore, then please when you become a parent and have kids, make sure they can be the future sport talents okay? Your kids can bring Olympic medals to Singapore, oh the national pride, blah blah blah.

if you cannot pass the exam , do you pay someone to take the exam for you.
if you cannot do well for your exam, at least you fail with pride
if you pay someone to take the exam for you, do you have to cheek to tell whole class that you did well ?

if do have, so be it.

[ScryonX]

Originally Posted by vertexdisk

if you cannot pass the exam , do you pay someone to take the exam for you.
if you cannot do well for your exam, at least you fail with pride
if you pay someone to take the exam for you, do you have to cheek to tell whole class that you did well ?

if do have, so be it.

Fail with pride if I don't do well? That's pretty much bullshiet if you ask me, there's no such thing as failing with pride, even if I comfort myself "at least you've done your best".

For your third question, of course I wouldn't, but I would at least credit whoever did the paper for me and thank him/her. Shouldn't we be doing likewise for the foreign talents as well? Or should we just stick to insulting and dissing them, even if they have achieved something for Singapore?

Let's take another scenario: blogskins. Although it may not be the best example, but it's still applicable. Let's say you use the blogskin another person has made. You didn't pay him for that, but it's still his, right? So by using his blogskin, it is sort of "agreed" you would credit/thank whoever did the blogskin. But in the end, people who visit your blog wouldn't really take much notice of the credits, instead they remark "woah nice blog you have there, ABC".

I understand some people really dislike the fact our table tennis team because the whole team is practically from China, but please, do be rational. The fact that they have gone against their home country, winning a medal for Singapore and for the Singapore flag to fly high in the Olympic grounds; those are enough for me to feel some pride in our sportsmen and women.
Lastly, think about how small Singapore is. Go figure. Cheers.

[Taki]

Should be proud .
We raised talents that other countries failed to recognize .

1. we are rich .
2. this will be like " spitting " at their faces . Telling them to cherish their own citizens .

Its ok in my opinion .

[Ray Ang]

we should be proud to have them, though 2nd but singapore get to hang the flag during the prize ceremony

[yawnzz]

tat depends on her sincerity in if does she played really for Singapore or for herself ???
If for herself, nope... I dont feel proud for her becoz I dont noe her
If for Singapore, yes, I will feel proud for her thru Singapore

[xOxYGeNx]

hmm frankly speaking, i dont really care whether spore won a medal or not.

I was watching a cctv4 video interview, the player who got us the silver medal and her father agree that coming to singapore is a faster way of making it into the national team to play as a national team member as compare to china, as china has many different levels before reaching the top to be in the national team

I quote from some other forums that mention she say she will like to go back to her own country one day and play and win the medal.

So i guess she is more like playing for herself than for the country, so there is nothing to be proud of.

[Sink-a-poor]

The Sports School becomes a white elephant. If we can buy foreign talents, why need to spend more moeny to build up local talents from young, so time consuming and no guarantee of investment. I think should buy football team from brazil as someone proposed, will get even more interest of people in sports.

[cakeman]

Originally Posted by ScryonX

Fail with pride if I don't do well? That's pretty much bullshiet if you ask me, there's no such thing as failing with pride, even if I comfort myself "at least you've done your best".

For your third question, of course I wouldn't, but I would at least credit whoever did the paper for me and thank him/her. Shouldn't we be doing likewise for the foreign talents as well? Or should we just stick to insulting and dissing them, even if they have achieved something for Singapore?

Let's take another scenario: blogskins. Although it may not be the best example, but it's still applicable. Let's say you use the blogskin another person has made. You didn't pay him for that, but it's still his, right? So by using his blogskin, it is sort of "agreed" you would credit/thank whoever did the blogskin. But in the end, people who visit your blog wouldn't really take much notice of the credits, instead they remark "woah nice blog you have there, ABC".

I understand some people really dislike the fact our table tennis team because the whole team is practically from China, but please, do be rational. The fact that they have gone against their home country, winning a medal for Singapore and for the Singapore flag to fly high in the Olympic grounds; those are enough for me to feel some pride in our sportsmen and women.
Lastly, think about how small Singapore is. Go figure. Cheers.

You don't really get the point do you? Do we really need an Olympic medal? Must our national flag fly at the Olympics? Why do we need all these to such an extent that we pay foreigners to do it for us? Like you said, Singapore is small compared to the other countries.

Let's put things this way : You're the parent of a child with a mental handicap. One day your child comes home with his report book, proudly saying that he got second in the whole school. Knowing that your child paid someone else to take the papers for him, will you feel proud of your son?

There is also a chinese saying that translates into something like this : If you don't have such a big head, don't wear such a tall cap.

[cakeman]

And in any case, I was just wondering what the general public out there feels. I don't really see the necessity to use words like bullsheet. If anyone thinks that this discussion is rubbish and time-wasting then don't post a reply. There aren't any obligations to post a reply if you can't discuss this with an open-minded attitude. And please, this is just a discussion, a DISCUSSION.

[Siong2]

Well both side got their points. :p
To me it's just another job can't be filled by locals, FT are engaged.
What she is doing mostly is working hard for herself (who dun?), in another way, her good work in her job also did brought us proud.

[shingshing]

Still can't figure out why S'pore would like to get a medal from Olympics. Not cheap to engage FT to represent Singapore. And the amount of $ awarded to FT for winning the medals also alot ya.

Those money I feel...could be put into better use. Afterall, malaysia so many times bigger than us also dun have medal. So why why? Why not work on what Singapore is good in?

[cakeman]

Originally Posted by shingshing

Those money I feel...could be put into better use. Afterall, malaysia so many times bigger than us also dun have medal. So why why? Why not work on what Singapore is good in?

Yeah. That's my point; the thing that I can't really understand.

[melmel]

SG swim team shld hire Michael Phelps then. It's only a case of buying atheletes for bringing glory.

Frankly, was put off by LJW being flag bearer, see the way she drag the SG flag on the stadium floor, got national pride meh? She must feel like a traitor to her home country in the parade so show a chao face too. No true blue SGrean-born member in the team there to hold the flag meh?

Yah..SG got medal, we happy but medal got thru PR, maybe only 70% happy, not 100%. Anyway, they not playing for free, SG spend money to train them n give prize money when they win. So spend so much leh..to some extent must take pride in the medal.

Wah cakeman answer is good siah..i agree.

Let's put things this way : You're the parent of a child with a mental handicap. One day your child comes home with his report book, proudly saying that he got second in the whole school. Knowing that your child paid someone else to take the papers for him, will you feel proud of your son?

[-Fairytale-]

You were studying in ABC school and due to certain reasons, for example poor grades and you decided that you should join another school, DEF school. While studying in DEF school, you won a medal during the inter-school meets, do you think your schoolmates should be proud of you?

P/S: Your grades improved tremendously after switching school.

[Peuan Sanit]

I am proud of Li Jiawei and her teammates achievements but I would even been prouder if they were true blue S'poreans.

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by Peuan Sanit

I am proud of Li Jiawei and her teammates achievements but I would even been prouder if they were true blue S'poreans.

Li Jiawei: Take it or leave it, your choice~ If I can, I will love to be a true blue S'porean but but but.... (breaks down and cry right in front of national tv)

[jp16]

Originally Posted by cakeman

You don't really get the point do you? Do we really need an Olympic medal? Must our national flag fly at the Olympics? Why do we need all these to such an extent that we pay foreigners to do it for us? Like you said, Singapore is small compared to the other countries.

Let's put things this way : You're the parent of a child with a mental handicap. One day your child comes home with his report book, proudly saying that he got second in the whole school. Knowing that your child paid someone else to take the papers for him, will you feel proud of your son?

There is also a chinese saying that translates into something like this : If you don't have such a big head, don't wear such a tall cap.

I agreed with u too. But for me, its the spirit of Olympic and sportmanship that matter. To me, what it should have been is "Using ur own ability and capability to win", but now we r like "using $ to win".
Its like normal competition, like maybe a international maths quiz or what. Then Country X got many maths genius inside, then we use $ buy them over and they take part representing Singapore. Then eventually we won gold. Then we veri happy, Telling everyone Singaporean's maths is the best. I mean this is the feeling i get from the Table tennis silver aso.

[-Fairytale-]

Hello, the spirit of Olympic no longer exist if you aren't aware of... Now? It's commercialised. Everything is, why do you think there are soccer matches all round the year? Because the soccer players love playing soccer so much?

[Conspiracy]

erm. our ancestor are all from china. does that means we are foreign imports also?

[xXHolyknightXx]

Best to just enjoy the sport as it is and dont think about these stuffs -_-