[jp16]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

Hello, the spirit of Olympic no longer exist if you aren't aware of... Now? It's commercialised. Everything is, why do you think there are soccer matches all round the year? Because the soccer players love playing soccer so much?

ya lah, but Olympic is a major sport event leh. International event somemore. We win medal is to bring glory and pride to singapore. But we r using foregner to help us accomplish the task. Not pai say meh. If we import 2-3 players from outside country into Singapore FC still ok. Becoz its a 11 player sport and majority still singaporean. But our table tennis ,i dunno how many % is import player but maybe 100% is import player leh. Importing player is ok. But in any event, import player should be minority, not majority and surely not 100%!

[jp16]

Originally Posted by Conspiracy

erm. our ancestor are all from china. does that means we are foreign imports also?

Thats too far scretch liao. We r not foreign import becoz we r Born here, live here and sense of belonging here. Foreign import is using stuff that are "manufactured" in foreign country ok.

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by jp16

ya lah, but Olympic is a major sport event leh. International event somemore. We win medal is to bring glory and pride to singapore. But we r using foregner to help us accomplish the task. Not pai say meh. If we import 2-3 players from outside country into Singapore FC still ok. Becoz its a 11 player sport and majority still singaporean. But our table tennis ,i dunno how many % is import player but maybe 100% is import player leh. Importing player is ok. But in any event, import player should be minority, not majority and surely not 100%!

My dear, if only our local players can make it... Would you wanna spend money buying something you can make yourself?

[jp16]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

My dear, if only our local players can make it... Would you wanna spend money buying something you can make yourself?

wow! "my dear" somemore

My daring, if u know u cannot make it. then just drop the idea of competing! Lik ppl say, dun have such a big head dun wear such a big hat.

[xiao pi gu]

Originally Posted by cakeman

Yeah. That's my point; the thing that I can't really understand.

becuz our country have reached a state of economic excellence, and hence, the next next step would be cultural and sports excellence. Hence the emphasis on an olmpic medal.

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by jp16

wow! "my dear" somemore

My daring, if u know u cannot make it. then just drop the idea of competing! Lik ppl say, dun have such a big head dun wear such a big hat.

Sigh.. You don't get it don't you? We need the *BEEP* awareness!!! Be it with our own local talents or imported ones, we simply need that AWARENESS!!!

P/S: I'm not that daring but if so fancy, I don't mind being called one.

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by xiao pi gu

becuz our country have reached a state of economic excellence, and hence, the next next step would be cultural and sports excellence. Hence the emphasis on an olmpic medal.

Wrong wrong wrong~ Cultural Excellence + Sports Excellence = Part of the Economic Excellence. Of course, many other factors too, their presence are around for only one reason..

[Conspiracy]

so what if they are from china? they are trained in singapore!

[xiao pi gu]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

Wrong wrong wrong~ Cultural Excellence + Sports Excellence = Part of the Economic Excellence. Of course, many other factors too, their presence are around for only one reason..

please elaborate more

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by xiao pi gu

please elaborate more

No, I refused to.

[Peuan Sanit]

Firstly let’s not take away the credits that LJW and her teammates have brought us. They have won our 2nd ever medal from the Olympics.

Forgive my bluntness, but when I watched their match against China, I felt it was actually a match between China and China and not Singapore against China.

All three of our medal winning players and including their coach are born in China. There were even talks about us “using other people’s backside as our face skin” (translated literally).

I am not saying that I am not proud of them, on the contrary, I am proud of them but I would even be prouder if they were born and breed Singaporeans and not “Talent Spotted” and groomed for the sole purpose of representing us in the sporting arenas.

I am proud of our past sportspersons like Ang Peng Siong, Julie Sng, Joscelin Yeo, David Lim, Fandi Ahmad, our football team of 1980 where we narrowly missed out of going to the Olympic by losing the final game to Iran, our present football who went as far as the 3rd round of WC qualifying round, etc. Remember the time when our favourite football son, Fandi, went to play for another Dutch team after turning down a contract with Ajax? He went on to play in a UEFA Cup tie against Inter Milan and scored a goal in their victory back in the early 80’s! How proud all of us were. Although none of them won an Olympic medal for us but we are still very proud of them. Why? Because they were born and breed in Singapore. They went thru the same educational structure, served NS (for the boys), went thru the problems we face like the rest of us. They all probably speak with Singlish with phrases like “Oh Say Bo? Walah eh, just now hor I see our teacher, Miss Tan, cothings I buay tahan longang sibei deep leh!!” with mixture of Hokkien, English and a couple of Malay words thrown in for good measure! Whereas our “Singaporized” table tennis players and other “Talent Spotted” athletics probably don’t even understand what it meant!

Our nearby neighbours like Thailand and Malaysia did not depended on foreign talent to win their 2 Gold, 2 Silver and 1 Silver respectively. Their representatives are born & breed Thais and Malaysian!!!

We have Tao Li who became the “first” Singaporean to qualified for a swimming final. She originated from China as well. In our Sports School, we have another Chinese swimmer by the name of Luo Nan, who is in secondary 1. (She came here late last year), she is tipped and potentially reported to be even better than Tao Li in future. We also have our S’pore Badminton Association grooming and training a couple of Malaysians, Indonesian and Chinese players with the hope and purpose of representing us in future!

All of them were brought here under the “foreign talent scheme” with the sole aim of representing Singapore, hopefully winning glories in the process and boasting the standard of our sporting standard.

Table Tennis is traditionally a sport dominated by China. There are probably thousands or even hundred thousands Chinese players talented in this particular sports. If LJW and her teammates had remained in China, they might not even made it into the Chinese Female Olympic Table Tennis team given the sheer large numbers of talented players they have. Along the picture, S’pore stepped in with their “Foreign Talent Scheme” and offered these players an opportunity to represent us in the Olympics in future if they are proven to be the best we have. They will be provided with food, lodgings, trainings, etc and even be given citizenships and allowances and even a reward for winning medals. If I were any of them, I would have also grabbed the opportunity.

If player Ais just an average talented player in the Barclays Premier League and if given the chance of a higher or even equivalent salary to play in….lets say, S-League, he would have grab the opportunity as the standard is lower and with his skills, He would be probably regarded as a superstar.

I can also play as good as Ronaldo, Pele, etc if my opponents are physical inclined. (No offence meant to anyone!)

LJW and her teammates worked hard and trained hard when they arrived at our shore, lets not take away that. They trained up to 10 hours a day on probably a 5 days week routine. But how many of us even how talented we might be can afford to the time? We have to juggle between work/studies and family (BF/GF) and trainings. We definitely can’t afford to train as much as those foreign talents. Tao Li starts her trainings as early as 6am to 8am from mon – fri and again from 4pm to 7pm mon-thurs. In between she attends classes.

Imagine that a big local company hired a qualified CEO, isn’t it the CEO’s job to improve the company’s profits, reputations etc? Imagined the company is SG and our foreign talents are the CEOs.

Recently some of our McDonald’s staff were sent to Beijing Olympic, I believed that other branches in the World like Germany, Holland, Italy, etc also sent their staff there. They might put it as an incentive for these deserving staff but the fact is that they went there to assist the McDonald’s branches there during the Olympics is to deal with the high number of tourists expected during the games and these tourists speaks mostly English, Dutch, Italian, German, etc. Their local staff might find it hard to cope and communicate with them. Now that the games are over and the food had been served to these tourists, can Beijing’s McDonalds claim they had accomplished the tasks without these “foreign talents”?

Some people brought up the issue of footballers like Podoski & Kloses who are of Polish decent and represented Germany. And also the France World Cup winning squad of 1998. These players are either the sons of neutralized immigrant German or French or they were brought in by their domestic clubs with the sole purpose of them representing the clubs and not their national teams. As for us, our foreign talent were brought in for the sole purpose of representing us in our national colours. There is a difference!

Several countries including USA, Holland and Croatia employed Chinese players to represent them. Ask yourself and answer honestly……if any of these countries had won a medal be Gold or Silver, would you have remarked, commented or think that they had won because of using “Chinese” players? If your answer is yes, that is exactly what other countries would have thought of us when we won the Silver medal.

I rest my case!

[qxnviolet]

Originally Posted by Peuan Sanit

If player Ais just an average talented player in the Barclays Premier League and if given the chance of a higher or even equivalent salary to play in….lets say, S-League, he would have grab the opportunity as the standard is lower and with his skills, He would be probably regarded as a superstar

Erm, i do not think the S-League could afford even the lowest ranked players plying their trade in the EPL right now, not to mention an "Average Talented Player". Lol.

I can also play as good as Ronaldo, Pele, etc if my opponents are physical inclined. (No offence meant to anyone!)

Erm, in simple english please?

LJW and her teammates worked hard and trained hard when they arrived at our shore, lets not take away that. They trained up to 10 hours a day on probably a 5 days week routine. But how many of us even how talented we might be can afford to the time? We have to juggle between work/studies and family (BF/GF) and trainings. We definitely can’t afford to train as much as those foreign talents. Tao Li starts her trainings as early as 6am to 8am from mon – fri and again from 4pm to 7pm mon-thurs. In between she attends classes.

People always like to complain that they do not have time. Everyone has 24 hrs a day, no? Do our table tennis team enjoy a 48 hr day? Its more of how you prioritise your time.

Imagine that a big local company hired a qualified CEO, isn’t it the CEO’s job to improve the company’s profits, reputations etc? Imagined the company is SG and our foreign talents are the CEOs.

Erhz, im quite lost on this statement. I presume you are refering to the way FTs bring up SG's profile in the world. This i 100% agree.....=>

Some people brought up the issue of footballers like Podoski & Kloses who are of Polish decent and represented Germany. And also the France World Cup winning squad of 1998. These players are either the sons of neutralized immigrant German or French or they were brought in by their domestic clubs with the sole purpose of them representing the clubs and not their national teams. As for us, our foreign talent were brought in for the sole purpose of representing us in our national colours. There is a difference!

Erm, i do not see much of a difference here especially in the case of Podoski and Klose. Germany drafted them into the national team because their talents are recognised. Singapore drafted the 3 ladies into our table tennis team because SG recognise their talents. Gof diff? What difference does it make if they were playing for the local clubs or not? Germany brought them into the national team for the SOLE PURPOSE of playing for Germany too right? The 2 gentlemen just happened to be playing for the local soccer teams. Would it make you feel better or more patriotic if our table tennies ladies were playing for say, Sengkang CC before they were drafted into the national team?

Several countries including USA, Holland and Croatia employed Chinese players to represent them. Ask yourself and answer honestly……if any of these countries had won a medal be Gold or Silver, would you have remarked, commented or think that they had won because of using “Chinese” players? If your answer is yes, that is exactly what other countries would have thought of us when we won the Silver medal.

Erm, people can think what they want.....we can't control their thoughts. Do you think the foriegn sportsmen "employed" by different countries really bothers about what people say? Proberbly not....what proberbly matters to them is how the people from their adopted country think about them. I still remember JiaWei's answer to a Chinese journalist when asked who did she think would be supporting her during her semi-final match. she said "4 million Singaporeans"....and i was like....WOW.

I rest my case!

Anyway, pretty enjoyed reading your views regarding this issue. Much better than those "one line comments". Cheers!~

My 2 cent thoughts in RED.

[xiao pi gu]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

No, I refused to.

i beg of you

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by xiao pi gu

i beg of you

No, I insisted.

[xiao pi gu]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

No, I insisted.

i plead with conviction for you to eleborate more

[2405]

Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by xiao pi gu

i plead with conviction for you to eleborate more

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[jp16]

Originally Posted by -Fairytale-

Sigh.. You don't get it don't you? We need the *BEEP* awareness!!! Be it with our own local talents or imported ones, we simply need that AWARENESS!!!

P/S: I'm not that daring but if so fancy, I don't mind being called one.

spell sala lah! Should be darling, not daring. onli miss a "L" mah. Darling becoz u put "My dear" mah. haha. What is beep awareness? Aware what?

[-Fairytale-]

Originally Posted by jp16

spell sala lah! Should be darling, not daring. onli miss a "L" mah. Darling becoz u put "My dear" mah. haha. What is beep awareness? Aware what?

Woo~

Awareness = Publicity = Where is Singapore? What can Singapore offer you? Somewhere there..

[typeX]

Originally Posted by vertexdisk

if you cannot pass the exam , do you pay someone to take the exam for you.
if you cannot do well for your exam, at least you fail with pride
if you pay someone to take the exam for you, do you have to cheek to tell whole class that you did well ?

if do have, so be it.

Nice analogy there.. haha.

I don't get the big hoo haa about the medal also. If sg isn't good at sports, then don't take part in the first place.
What for die-die do whatever it takes just to show sg to the world?

Some people have never heard of sg as well, and some think that sg is somewhere in china~ hahaha