Winning an olympic medal via foreign imports. Is it something to be proud of? - Page 4

**cakeman** · 27-08-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by melmel

SG swim team shld hire Michael Phelps then. It's only a case of buying atheletes for bringing glory.

Frankly, was put off by LJW being flag bearer, see the way she drag the SG flag on the stadium floor, got national pride meh? She must feel like a traitor to her home country in the parade so show a chao face too. No true blue SGrean-born member in the team there to hold the flag meh?

Yah..SG got medal, we happy but medal got thru PR, maybe only 70% happy, not 100%. Anyway, they not playing for free, SG spend money to train them n give prize money when they win. So spend so much leh..to some extent must take pride in the medal.

Wah cakeman answer is good siah..i agree.

Haha.. Thanks.

**cakeman** · 27-08-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Conspiracy

erm. our ancestor are all from china. does that means we are foreign imports also?

That's different what. We are all BORN and BRED in Singapore. They are not. If ever a day LJW gives birth and her son/daughter brings back an Olympic medal, then the whole country should really rejoice and celebrate and feel proud. Well at least that's what I feel.

**Peuan Sanit** · 27-08-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cakeman

That's different what. We are all BORN and BRED in Singapore. They are not. If ever a day LJW gives birth and her son/daughter brings back a Olympic medal, then the whole country should really rejoice and celebrate and feel proud. Well at least that's what I feel.

My sentiments exactly!

**a|ex** · 28-08-2008, 02:53 PM

i am not against such so called "import"
because i know my ancestors are oso not born here in singapore..
same wih every1 else here..
who else can we blame... when our own...born n bred..people...cmi?
import of talent is important..for the survival...of our country..
u see the low birth rate...
if nothing is done..
we be soon wiped..out...
n no1 will even noe the existing of this small RED DOT...

**Peuan Sanit** · 28-08-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by a|ex

i am not against such so called "import"
because i know my ancestors are oso not born here in singapore..
same wih every1 else here..
who else can we blame... when our own...born n bred..people...cmi?
import of talent is important..for the survival...of our country..
u see the low birth rate...
if nothing is done..
we be soon wiped..out...
n no1 will even noe the existing of this small RED DOT...

It true that our ancestors are not born in SG but we the decendants are.

I don't understand what you mean that "import of talent is important for survival"? Does winning a medal enhance our survival?

Ask yourself....why the low birth rate in the first place?

1. People are getting married later...bcos of work commitmments and concentrating on their careers.

2. It getting very expensive to raise a child now.

-Fairytale- · 28-08-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by a|ex

i am not against such so called "import"
because i know my ancestors are oso not born here in singapore..
same wih every1 else here..
who else can we blame... when our own...born n bred..people...cmi?
import of talent is important..for the survival...of our country..
u see the low birth rate...
if nothing is done..
we be soon wiped..out...
n no1 will even noe the existing of this small RED DOT...

Low birth rate because we are not having enough sex...

**goenitz33** · 28-08-2008, 04:34 PM

its expensive to get married

its even more expensive to raise a child

everyone wants a presentable banquet, decent house and etc.

with the rising costs, garmen still expect ppl to get married?

**corp25** · 28-08-2008, 05:00 PM

can we just stop talking about this topic.. whenever i see this topic in the forums or in the papers it just get me very frustrated..

does it really matter where they are born from?? does it really matter they are from other countries?.. does it matter..

let me give u an example

if u were to have a friend who was from another school but he got transfered to your school and now is a permanent student in your school..

he wins a medal in table tennis and made your school proud..

so let me ask u this.. "are you proud of your this friend for winning a medel for table tennis for your school instead of his previous one"

**neng83** · 28-08-2008, 05:07 PM

lol~~ it is never ending de lar~ i agree with corp25 to stop this meaningless thread.
you happy that they win for us and feel proud~ stay with it~
you not happy that they win and doesnt feel proud, than u wan to be unhappy and start saying them~ than be it~ let unhappy be with u~

and just to say~ government wont stop bringing FT even if the whole forum are fill with this kind of topic~

**TomatoBOY** · 28-08-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by corp25

can we just stop talking about this topic.. whenever i see this topic in the forums or in the papers it just get me very frustrated..

does it really matter where they are born from?? does it really matter they are from other countries?.. does it matter..

let me give u an example

if u were to have a friend who was from another school but he got transfered to your school and now is a permanent student in your school..

he wins a medal in table tennis and made your school proud..

so let me ask u this.. "are you proud of your this friend for winning a medel for table tennis for your school instead of his previous one"

I agreed with you. Oh Common... Singapore is an open society.. a global city... multicultural... sports for everybody... let support who ever make Singapore proud man...

by 2010 there will be more pure Singaporean active in sports as YOG2010 coming our way.

xiiaomeii · 29-08-2008, 04:40 PM

Now THey won a medal for us..

but if they nv won a medal for us..
will people still support them ??

Example ,
A china boy/girl in your sch ?
will you treat his/her good , treat him/her as your friend..
or call her/him names like " Poor guy/girl " , "useless" , "china kiia" , " made in china "

I very sure that.. many people
say support the sports man/women but they are insulting their homekind..

Imagine !
you a Very Lihai person in Usa , you are born here..
but imagine , your best friend kena bully
because Singaporean cannot win usA??

SO wad the use of cheering for Those who can help us win ..
but at the same time , we are insulting their homemate ?

Shame right ?

Sry no offence guys !

I still prefer a Singaporean Who can Do well

and
Stop This Topic.. Hope Mod close this thread Down ..
No Use of making People noe that
Singapore keep buy FT ?

**Soprano** · 29-08-2008, 04:45 PM

don't judge the process,judge the result.

**YogurtIcecream** · 29-08-2008, 05:08 PM

Our ancestors also not really from Singapore what.

If those people (e.g. China for our local case) have the time to think bad about us depending on imports originating from their country, why not they think why these people are coming to our country in the first place instead of staying over there? Something is clearly wrong over there and not here.

I should say that if they have the time to think bad about us, they should be thinking about what is the main cause of the problem too. If these people decide to stay in Singapore with us right now maybe in future the next generation will just be like us as "true" Singaporeans.

-Fairytale- · 29-08-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YogurtIcecream

Our ancestors also not really from Singapore what.

If those people (e.g. China for our local case) have the time to think bad about us depending on imports originating from their country, why not they think why these people are coming to our country in the first place instead of staying over there? Something is clearly wrong over there and not here.

I should say that if they have the time to think bad about us, they should be thinking about what is the main cause of the problem too. If these people decide to stay in Singapore with us right now maybe in future the next generation will just be like us as "true" Singaporeans.

Hmm.. I don't get you..

**xiao pi gu** · 29-08-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Soprano

don't judge the process,judge the result.

that is short sighted.

**xiao pi gu** · 29-08-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YogurtIcecream

Our ancestors also not really from Singapore what.

If those people (e.g. China for our local case) have the time to think bad about us depending on imports originating from their country, why not they think why these people are coming to our country in the first place instead of staying over there? Something is clearly wrong over there and not here.

I should say that if they have the time to think bad about us, they should be thinking about what is the main cause of the problem too. If these people decide to stay in Singapore with us right now maybe in future the next generation will just be like us as "true" Singaporeans.

what is your point ar?

**Peuan Sanit** · 29-08-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Soprano

don't judge the process,judge the result.

Isn't that buying instant success?

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Originally Posted by YogurtIcecream

If those people (e.g. China for our local case) have the time to think bad about us depending on imports originating from their country, why not they think why these people are coming to our country in the first place instead of staying over there? Something is clearly wrong over there and not here.

If you were one of the 10,000 or even more, talented table tennis players in China and if you were offered an opportunity abroad with free training, lodging and given an allowance and also a chance to play in the Olympic and knowing that the opportunity to make it in your own country is much slimmer, would you have taken the same path as LJW and gang?

Its an opportunity of a lifetime.

**friendshipz** · 29-08-2008, 10:37 PM

proud..arrrr not too sure about that, maybe it will boost the interest of native singaporean to pursue their olympic dream.

just face it, for singaporean, their priority is education, china is very different from us, their parents gave them little or no education, their everyday life is to train for whatever sport they are in.

anyway
like the incident of the Lip-sync during the opening ceremony, it is all for the national interest.

ScryonX · 30-08-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cakeman

You don't really get the point do you? Do we really need an Olympic medal? Must our national flag fly at the Olympics? Why do we need all these to such an extent that we pay foreigners to do it for us? Like you said, Singapore is small compared to the other countries.

Let's put things this way : You're the parent of a child with a mental handicap. One day your child comes home with his report book, proudly saying that he got second in the whole school. Knowing that your child paid someone else to take the papers for him, will you feel proud of your son?

There is also a chinese saying that translates into something like this : If you don't have such a big head, don't wear such a tall cap.

Oh, so that's what you've talking about huh.
How come your first post never mentioned anything about that? Let me bring you back to your first post.

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Originally Posted by cakeman

We won an Olympic silver medal, but it's by a team of foreign imports. Should we really be so proud of it?

Is that really something we should boast about, something we should rejoice in?

It's almost like Singapore BOUGHT back a medal right? I mean they are not exactly 'home-grown' talents what, right? When I was watching Singapore play China, the only thought that went through my mind was that it's more of China team 2 against China team 1, thus I really have no idea how I should cheer the Singapore team on.

What do you people out there think? Let's share...

Why didn't you ask if Singapore really needed an Olympic medal or must our national flag fly at the Olympics in the first place?
I'm not here to diss you, but the moment I stepped into your thread and read the content, I thought that you were asking for discussion whether we should be proud of foreign talents bringing in medals. Forgive me for my tone, but in the first place, your intentions and topic for discussion were not clear enough.
Now now, you might think that I'm crapping or someone bursting with ego (not that I give a damn about), but there's a fine subtle difference between what you replied me with and what you actually opened the thread with.

So now, with regards to your reply - Do we really need all these... medals and stuff? If you ask me, I'd prolly say "Maybe, maybe not". BUT, if we've won it, then let's rejoice, why bother asking for a discussion over it? In the end, there will always be differing views and opinions, like how I might love apples and you hated them since birth. In the end, people will forever bicker and argue over it or the government's decision to spot talents from overseas rather than from Singapore itself; it's really up to the individual to change his mindset and whatnot.

Oh regarding my usage of "bullshiet", no I'm not saying his/her points were "bullshiet". As a matter of fact, they were strong and valid with which I had much difficulty in replying.
However, if in any way you still think I'm acting like a goon/idiot for being so stubborn, then by all means go ahead. Have a good day ahead.

**EvilEd** · 30-08-2008, 10:40 AM

This issue is just about your mindsets. To me, i can accept them just like i can accept foreigners working in sg.

Now some of you people will be saying that foreign imports doesnt give us pride, glory or it will seemed like we are buying medals etc. It's natural but this mindset will change in about 10-20 years time during our next generation. In fact, many other countries are practising it.