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Old 15th July 2008, 02:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does Witch / Wizards exist?

I heard during the olden days (17-19 centuries?) in european countries, "witches" are burnt to dead alive as they were thought to be evil. Is this a true story? Do the "witches" and "Wizards" really practise magic and stuff or issit pure superstition?

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Old 15th July 2008, 02:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Does Witch / Wizards exist?

Witches not sure... but wizards do exist in China many thousands years ago.

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Re: Does Witch / Wizards exist?

yes they exist.. i am one myself..(witch in training) wicca is the religon and belief

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I believe those that u heard in Europe are the Witchtrials/Witchhunts. NOt just in Europe but in US a little town called Salem also have such Witch Hunts.

I have read some documents on those hunts. There were no concrete evidences that those people who were persecuted were real witches/wizards. It all started with a group of young girls playing a game with their maid in Salem. Later one of those girls fell ill and the villagers, being superstitious, asked the girl and realized that they had been playing with the maid -they believed were voodoo or spells. Then for some reasons, the other girls also started having fits and ills. Then the villagers really believed that the maid was worshipping devil and started to hunt for the other 'witches' using those girls.

It could be due to superstitions and those young girls' hunger for attention so they were more than willing to pick out the socalled witches (usually people who are not from their town or they dislike or rich). In those times, people were willing to believe anything that could explain the uncertainties or mysteries - hence the idea that those unexplained illnesses were caused by witches -servants of devil and must be hanged or burnt at stakes.

Whether witches/wizards exist now, depends on how u define witches/wizards. If u define them as those people like in Charmed -can freeze time, throw fireballs, then i'm sorry such witches and wizards most likely don't exist. If u define them as people who believe in the old ways, spells and nature, then yes there are such witches in the world - in western countries mostly esp USA. But those witches/wizards don't flaunt their identities too obvious as they do still fear of persecution as there are those narrow minded people around.

In singapore, i believe witches/wizards are very rare or they are closeted kind. Local society is still not accepting of this sort of mystical stuffs as could be seen in the reactions of the parents when singapore 1st sold Harry Potter series.

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I believe those that u heard in Europe are the Witchtrials/Witchhunts. NOt just in Europe but in US a little town called Salem also have such Witch Hunts.

I have read some documents on those hunts. There were no concrete evidences that those people who were persecuted were real witches/wizards. It all started with a group of young girls playing a game with their maid in Salem. Later one of those girls fell ill and the villagers, being superstitious, asked the girl and realized that they had been playing with the maid -they believed were voodoo or spells. Then for some reasons, the other girls also started having fits and ills. Then the villagers really believed that the maid was worshipping devil and started to hunt for the other 'witches' using those girls.

It could be due to superstitions and those young girls' hunger for attention so they were more than willing to pick out the socalled witches (usually people who are not from their town or they dislike or rich). In those times, people were willing to believe anything that could explain the uncertainties or mysteries - hence the idea that those unexplained illnesses were caused by witches -servants of devil and must be hanged or burnt at stakes.

Whether witches/wizards exist now, depends on how u define witches/wizards. If u define them as those people like in Charmed -can freeze time, throw fireballs, then i'm sorry such witches and wizards most likely don't exist. If u define them as people who believe in the old ways, spells and nature, then yes there are such witches in the world - in western countries mostly esp USA. But those witches/wizards don't flaunt their identities too obvious as they do still fear of persecution as there are those narrow minded people around.

In singapore, i believe witches/wizards are very rare or they are closeted kind. Local society is still not accepting of this sort of mystical stuffs as could be seen in the reactions of the parents when singapore 1st sold Harry Potter series.


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every motherinlaw is a potential witch
and unto the stake!

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singapore has may ppl do witchcraft as well. like wad Artemis86 says.. not everyone will identify themself in fear of prosticution but for me, i dont do black magik so i have nth to fear for. actually, singapore have grps of ppl doing this things tgt.. i for one dont think theres any wrong with doing witchcraft. its a form of spirtual art and also a form of worshipping mother nature

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and unto the stake!
sorry mom, we dont love ya

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Re: Does Witch / Wizards exist?

what are the dangers if you perform a ritual, evocation or cast a spell incorrectly??
esp evocation, since u are able to summon supernatural beings.

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Originally Posted by thegame View Post
sorry mom, we dont love ya
never meant to hurt you, never meant to make you cry..
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I thought witch hunts was sparked off by some evil christians' scheme to wipe off the pagans? Like dunno ages ago, they scare pagans will hold too much authority or power over the beliefs of villagers, so they started to spread rumors and eventually hunt them out. I always thought that the pagans are similar to druids, close to nature one, so easier to accuse them. =x

No offense intended to christians...

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Originally Posted by Hirakawa View Post
Witches not sure... but wizards do exist in China many thousands years ago.
China?

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so they practised spells and stuff? mainly to cure sickness?

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Originally Posted by nimbus View Post
what are the dangers if you perform a ritual, evocation or cast a spell incorrectly??
esp evocation, since u are able to summon supernatural beings.
if u follow the spell and still do something incorrectly, ur spell just dun work out lor. If u evoke supernatural beings such as goddess or fairies, u always have to thank and send them away b4 u break the circle. The circle is meant to protect u while u do the spell casting. Since wiccans dun summon demons or black magic creatures, those beings usually will bring u no harm and will leave u after u thank them.

Also if u direct the ritual or spell on someone specific, like making him fall in love with u...u will receive bad luck in 3 folds. As wiccans r not allowed to mess with individual's free will.

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I thought witch hunts was sparked off by some evil christians' scheme to wipe off the pagans? Like dunno ages ago, they scare pagans will hold too much authority or power over the beliefs of villagers, so they started to spread rumors and eventually hunt them out. I always thought that the pagans are similar to druids, close to nature one, so easier to accuse them. =x

No offense intended to christians...
The story i quoted was in US, Salem. I believe in Europe, the stories were rumoured to be like what u said. In Europe at that times, there were druids and pagans who worshipped nature and used herbs and potions for everything from beauty to sickness. However as the Christianity spreaded across Europe, still many people followed the old ways. So the Pope felt threatened and since the churches were allied with the royalty, Pope was able to cook up a scheme that those nature worshipping people were evil as they did not follow Christianity. So there was the hunt for those. Many were killed and still others went into hiding - they pretended to follow christianity but they kept the knowledge by word of mouth, afraid of being discovered.

In those times, people were less tolerant of outsiders or people who were different from them. Even though our world has progressed by leaps and bounds, i believe we are still not much different from those. I positively detest wars made in the name of religions. >.< totally brainless

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what abt voodoo doctors?

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Originally Posted by louisangelatng View Post
so they practised spells and stuff? mainly to cure sickness?
Well they used to...nowadays not many witches/wizards use spells to cure sickness but more like herbs and potions. They also do spells, rituals to improve their lives. however wiccans are not supposed to use their abilities and skills for commercial purposes like to sell their services.

=) Witches/wizards use different tools de. some use tarot cards, runes, spells n wands, herbs, etc

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And here's the wikki!

And one more on witch hunts.

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