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WOMEN TEACHERS WHO HAVE SEX WITH STUDENTS - What makes them cross the line?

By Veena Bharwani
February 12, 2009


THE Singapore teacher who had sex with her student is a first here but in the US it has been going on for some time.


NO JAIL:Former middle school teacher Debra Lafave, who had sexual liaisons with a 14-year-old student, avoided prison as part of a plea agreement reached. PICTURE: AP

Over the past decade, more and more cases have surfaced there.

In the first case to gain worldwide media attention, Mary Kay Letourneau, 47, was jailed for raping her former sixth-grade student in 1997 near Seattle.

Another case that made the headlines in 2004, Debra Lafave, 28, a former model-turned-teacher in Florida, seduced a 14-year-old student in a classroom and at her Florida home.

In the third case in the same year, former physical education teacher Pamela Joan Rogers had sex with a 13-year-old student in Tennessee.

The latest case happened last month.

A San Diego elementary school teacher had a four-year sexual relationship with one of her students, beginning when he was 11. The child is also her godson.

Carmina Erica Lopez, 32, surrendered to detectives at a Mission Hills home last month.

These women were married and to husbands who were not abusive and held responsible jobs.

In short, they seemed to lead normal, fulfilling lives.

Letourneau already had four children with her husband when she started her sexual relationship with her student.

So what then pushed these women to the edge?

Dr Robert Shoop, director of the Cargill Center for Ethical Leadership at Kansas State University and author of Sexual Exploitation in Schools told Oprah.com that these teachers have a poor concept of boundaries, so they don't recognise when they've crossed the line into inappropriate behaviour.

Even as police handcuffed her, Lafave admitted in an interview that she didn't feel she had committed a crime.

'I was thinking of myself as a young girl who just got caught with her boyfriend.'

In a lot of these cases, the woman thinks she has fallen in love, reported Oprah.com.

Notoriously, after serving several years in prison for having sex with a minor, teacher Letourneau married her student.

She was 33 when she began an affair with her then 12-year-old student Vili Fualaau.

When she was found out the next year and arrested, the married mother of four was already pregnant with the boy's daughter.

According to AP, in February 1997, her former husband Steve Letourneau found love letters that his wife had written to her ex-student. Later that month, one of his relatives reported the affair to officials at Shorewood Elementary.

The police were notified, and Letourneau - who was pregnant with Fualaau's child then - was arrested and charged with statutory rape.

Her mental state came to light during trial when a defence psychiatrist testified that she suffered from bipolar disorder, a form of manic depression, according to an AFP report.

Letourneau was sentenced to 71/2 years in prison during which she gave birth to their daughter.

Conditional release
After serving 80 days, she was granted a release on the condition that she enter a treatment programme for sex offenders and she was forbidden from having any contact with Fualaau, according to AFP.

However, on 3 Feb 1998, police discovered Letourneau in a car with Fualaau and arrested her for violating the conditions of her suspended sentence. She became pregnant again and in October 1998, supposedly conceived during her brief period of parole, reported by AFP.

After giving birth to her second child with Fualaau, she began serving a seven-year prison sentence. Released on parole in August 2004, she quickly married her young lover, who by then had turned 21, according to AFP.

LeFave too battled with bipolar disorder when she engaged in sexual relations with her student.

She allegedly told her student that her marriage was in trouble and that she was aroused by the fact that having sex with him was not allowed, according to CNN online.

Lafave pleaded guilty to the charge and was placed under house arrest for three years and given probation for seven years.

In an NBC interview in 2006, Lafave said of her mental state: 'You know what, I don't want to blur the lines between doing something as heinous as what I did, and being bipolar. But, yes, symptoms of bipolar definitely contributed to my mind frame.'

Sexual obsession was what pushed physical education teacher Rogers to have sex with her then 13-year-old student.

She was first arrested in February 2005 and pleaded no contest to charges of statutory rape. During the three-month relationship, Rogers and the teen had sex more than a dozen times, in the school, in her house, and in the teen's home in Feb 2005 according to USA Today.

She was jailed for nine months.

No end to obsession
But the sexual sexual obsession over the boy did not end.

According to an AP report, Rogers was arrested again in April 2006 on charges that she had sent text messages, nude photos, and sex videos of herself to the same boy while using her father's mobile phone. Rogers was sentenced to 7 years in prison for violating her probation.

According to a Nashville news website, a clinical psychologist hired by the teacher's family testified that the teacher was a sex addict and sexually immature. Ms Schleicher said: ' (Her) diaries did tell me how much she lived in a dream world .... like somebody that's into video games.'

Source: http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/st...92531,00.html?

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Let us look at it in a wider perspective.

Would this Teacher-Student relationship be acceptable if both parties are only a few years apart in terms of age?

Your title of "Teachers who have sex with students" seems to imply that teachers are not supposed to have a relationship with their students. Period.

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Is this relationship wrong BECAUSE the other party is a juvenile, regardless of gender?

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wah one ***ny women =x

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sigh... more and more cases arise...
somehow, i do agree with audia6' view in some points

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Let us look at it in a wider perspective.
Would this Teacher-Student relationship be acceptable if both parties are only a few years apart in terms of age?
Is this relationship wrong BECAUSE the other party is a juvenile, regardless of gender?
during my sec sch days, 1 of my frenz' frenz (a girl), was having a relationship with the newly joined IT staff. Well, we were like... OMG... why would she wanna go out with staff? Then after a few weeks, the staff was gone. heard from my teacher that he got fired due to that relationship as it's considered as misconduct.

I feel that Teacher-Student relationship is acceptable to certain extent. meaning to say, this only happen AFTER school and OUTTA school compound provided that the age gap isnt too wide. Teachers have their own personal life. It doesnt mean that, if you're my student, and we gotten chemistry, we cant get into a relationship due to YOU'RE my STUDENT restriction.

But most of the teachers would refrain themselves from crossing over the bounder as our country isnt that open-minded yet.

Somehow, in most cases, this teacher-student relationship might turn out wrong due to the fact the other party is still a juvenile. a juvenile, especially a boy, during his secondary sch days, it's the MOST curious period for opposite gender. so if there's someone who willing to teach him, so maybe his thought is, why not? whats wrong with that?

of course, there're some cases whereby the young teens think maturely but the possibility is low.

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Seriously , nowadays all the teachers are damn 'fierce' la . not that they don't have a family but yet , they still wanna have such relationship with the students and get themselves into trouble . What's the point ...

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New Generations. Getting wild. Explained.

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husband to the teacher didnt provide enough sexual needs that she wants causing her to turn to her students?

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I would describe this as sexual addiction.
Similar to drugs and MMORPG, the person who is addicted will keep wanting more and more with no end to it.

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She was 33 when she began an affair with her then 12-year-old student Vili Fualaau.

When she was found out the next year and arrested, the married mother of four was already pregnant with the boy's daughter.

This is epic.

I think on the student's side, we must take fetish into consideration =/

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in tis world, every kind of things aso got de la.. LOL

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really is 'yi zhong mi yang bai zhong ren' (one type of rice feeding hundred types of people)

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When she was found out the next year and arrested, the married mother of four was already pregnant with the boy's daughter.
congratulations.. the boy is now a dad -_-.

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I feel that Teacher-Student relationship is acceptable to certain extent. meaning to say, this only happen AFTER school and OUTTA school compound provided that the age gap isnt too wide. Teachers have their own personal life. It doesnt mean that, if you're my student, and we gotten chemistry, we cant get into a relationship due to YOU'RE my STUDENT restriction.
Actually it is more than that - a teacher is in an a position of trust and the student in a position of vulnerability. There is a reason why doctors cannot be involved in a relationship with their patients (it is one of the medical code of ethics that can make a doctor lose his or her licence). Even if the age gap is not too wide, it is just not ethically acceptable for a party to exploit their position of trust.

Times may change, of course, as we go on through the years, but at this point of time, this is still considered not ethically acceptable for someone in our profession.

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Because teachers are humans.

Even chinese movie show us how fairy fall in love with human.

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maybe really is the teacher got the need to sex lo..
at home cannot get what she want so come school find lo..

for the student side maybe is just for fun..
maybe he think tt it is fun..
who noe..

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haiz...i think tat the teacher lack of love...lol...go sch find love.

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This is what i think ~A teacher-student relationship should be reasonable, as long as the parties involve are of legal age.

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goes to show all sexual fantasies can come true...

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Actually it is more than that - a teacher is in an a position of trust and the student in a position of vulnerability. There is a reason why doctors cannot be involved in a relationship with their patients (it is one of the medical code of ethics that can make a doctor lose his or her licence). Even if the age gap is not too wide, it is just not ethically acceptable for a party to exploit their position of trust.

Times may change, of course, as we go on through the years, but at this point of time, this is still considered not ethically acceptable for someone in our profession.
what about doctor and nurse?
what about doctor with ex-patient?
there'll be times when the chemistry came unknowingly. true, ethics and stuff but... thats kinda against certain profession. doctor cannot be with patient, teacher cannot be with student... so jail guarder cannot be with criminal?

guess we are still not that open-minded, even in those ang moh countries, they oso cant accept this teacher-student relationship.

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The relationship between a doctor and his nurse is not considered to have that same vulnerability and potential for exploitation. I am not too sure about a doctor and an ex-patient, though.

It is unlikely (though not impossible) for a warden to be of a different gender from his inmate. I know that the States have many cases of human rights abuses precisely because male wardens watch over female inmates.

The issue here is not with open-mindedness, it is with the possibility of exploitation that a code of ethics has to be created. Within many of us teachers are also internal code of ethics too - I cannot imagine myself going out with my students, for instance, since I treat them like daughters.

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